Shooting at Las Vegas casino

It's the sabermetrics debate with much higher stakes.

People think something seems tedious and complicated, so people find reasons to write it all off as a buncha bullshit.

 

Do liberals want to win a policy debate with globe-critical implications or do they want to pontificate to each other?

That's what's at stake.

 

Gee, did some right-wing nut deliberately misinterpret something again?

Cal Perry of NBC News—whomever the fuck that is, although now he represents all media—is saying that it's impossible to dispassionately report from scenes of massacres anymore, just listing the dead and wounded and the caliber of weapons and pretending that's all there is to do. That his reporting must also become advocacy reporting.

I swear to God, this is the dumbest this board has ever been, and I was here for @Pickle_Juice.

 

I wasn’t looking for a semantic discussion.

I only pointed out that, like the reports we frequently see, and saw in this case, of multiple shooters, reports of fully automatic weapons usually turn out to be wrong.

That’s it. A simple caution to wait for some reporting.

And, rather than folks heading the warning, which would have ended the discussion, we had sports journalists turned audiophiles insisting I was an idiot, and asking me for a retraction.

I made no effort to engage in a semantic argument, and simply restated my point on multiple occasions.

 

The semantic argument - while perhaps important down the road in making policy - is being used here to make a more immediate political distinction. Between 'legal' and 'illegal.' Not between 'automatic' and 'semi-automatic.'

Flip the question around a little and you'll see what I mean.

"In what way is a gun with the trigger held down firing 9 rounds per second not automatic?"

By saying, hey, all these modifications were legal, you're essentially saying hey, second amendment, what can you do? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

And the rest of us are saying whether it was automatic weapon or a semiautomatic doctored to fire like an automatic, either way, this was equipment that a civilian should not have had at his disposal in a Las Vegas hotel suite overlooking a concert venue.

 

Just as an aside ... glad to see @Azrael back 'round these parts ...

 

Pointing out it was automatic gunfire was appropriate and accurate.

 

Me, too.

 

It's a fucking right wing talking point that he made at 6:05 am Vegas time. The non-injured were still on the streets of vegas at that time, since if you stayed at the Mandalay, Excal or Luxor, many weren't even allowed back in their rooms.

 

I don't know that that's decided yet, though. The issue has never been before the Court. Or even any Courts of Appeals, has it?

I count myself among those, in my solemn duty as a citizen, who needs to brush up on all of this.