So. Who wins the Heisman?

What did the police report say about Manziel & McCarron?

 

Oops. McCarron third, I meant. Bottom line: I'd vote for Winston now.

So it is written, so it shall be. Everyone can sleep soundly.

 

Quite honestly, I wonder how many guys here would 'fess up to continuing to pressure for sex upon the slightest "no." Because that does mean no.

My best friend was date raped, but it never would have held up on court. Guy she knew, was fooling around, both were drunk. She tried to stop and he wouldn't. I've no doubt the guy didn't think for an instant it was rape. She didn't bother with charges because it would have been impossible to prove.

 

I wonder how often "no" comes either after sex has started, or is something along the lines of, "We shouldn't be doing this ..."

 

It doesn't matter. It still means no.

I've been in a similar situation, but I hadn't been drinking and it ended better. It was still a drawn-out process to convince that "no" really meant it.

 

I know. I'm just saying that it doesn't always fit the classic paradigm. And thus guys end up thinking they didn't do anything wrong.

 

I don't know what "the classic paradigm" means in this case. My friend's situation is pretty much the classic date rape case. And like you said, I'm sure the guy didn't think anything of it.

 

If the state attorney declined to charge him, I've got to assume that is because the attorney believes there is insufficient evidence to get a conviction. Not that Winston is a saint or because he is a football player. Getting a conviction on a charge like this one seems rather difficult.

 

Wow, you are a deep thinker. Thanks for being here!

 

If he keeps starting him, I assume Jimbo Fisher thinks Winston is his best quarterback.

 

Winston wins in a landslide now, no doubt in my mind -- not 'cause I believe he's 'innocent,' dick w., but 'cause this whole thing smelled funny to me from the time the story finally picked up some steam recently. now, even with fullcourt press on 'victim' she could not convince the powers that be that she was raped.

not guilty will translates into an easy Heisman victory. as it should, imo.

 

I have not yet read the police report, but I was very uncomfortable with the statement issued by Winston and his people this afternoon. I have a weekend reading assignment.