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So. Who wins the Heisman?

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by LongTimeListener, Nov 23, 2013.

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Pick the Heisman winner.

  1. Jameis Winston

    22 vote(s)
    34.4%
  2. Johnny Manziel

    4 vote(s)
    6.3%
  3. Marcus Mariota

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. AJ McCarron

    28 vote(s)
    43.8%
  5. Other

    10 vote(s)
    15.6%
  1. zagoshe

    zagoshe Well-Known Member

    Because Winston is the best quarterback in the country and he is on the No. 1 team in the country and his passing numbers dwarf Lynch's despite the fact that Lynch plays in the MAC and didn't even have to play three of the four best teams in the MAC as they avoided the three best teams from the other division.

    Winston dwarfs Lynch is passing yards, completion percentage, TD passes, rating --- and he does so despite having LESS attempts and MORE completions.

    And I would argue that if he wasn't sitting out in the fourth quarter of a lot of games and had to play whole games, his passing numbers would be even greater and would negate any advantage you think Lynch's rushing numbers give him.

    The bottom line is the two guys play the same position and Winston plays that position better in a better conference, against better competition and in bigger games.

    Oh yeah, and I have heard people say "I would love to see what Lynch would do against one of those top teams to show how good he is......"

    And my answer is this --- "I don't need to guess because I saw it earlier this year when Lynch played against Florida State and let's take a look at what he did -- 15 of 41 for 176 yards, 1 TD, 1 Int and his "running skills" were exposed against a real defense as he rushed for 44 yards on 23 carries (less than 2 per carry) and that number is even inflated cause he had 22 yards on one rush......."

    And one other thing - - if Winston were eligible for the NFL draft right now - you think he or Lynch would come off the board first? I know, I know "a guy's pro stock shouldn't come into play" and I agree to a point - but I do think the opinion of NFL scouts as to who is better should have SOME bearing on these things I would be willing to bet 32 NFL scouts of 32 would tell their bosses to draft Winston over Lynch.......

    I know people love the "wittle guy" but overwhelmingly more often than not the "wittle guy" is where he is for a reason.

    Lynch should get an invite to New York because he is a nice story and has had a nice season, but I repeat - if you vote for him ahead of Winston it is a farce.
     
  2. zagoshe

    zagoshe Well-Known Member

    Sarcasm, sir
     
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  3. JackReacher

    JackReacher Well-Known Member

    Invites go to the top X finishers in the voting, right? I don't think they're based on how good a story they are.
     
  4. zagoshe

    zagoshe Well-Known Member

    The "story" is why some voters vote for some guy - my comment was that Lynch is a guy who deserves to be on enough ballots to get an invite to NYC. He just shouldn't be at the top of any ballot - or at least ahead of Winston on any ballots.
     
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  5. JackReacher

    JackReacher Well-Known Member

    Same.

    Anyway, let's rank the worst excuses for not voting for someone...

    He's only a freshman. He's got plenty of time to win later.
    You'd have to put him in the College Football HOF as an all-time great. You ready to do that?
    He probably won't be as good a pro as the guy I'm voting for.
    [for players in one of the AQ conferences]...he didn't play against anyone.

    Feel free to add your own.
     
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  6. zagoshe

    zagoshe Well-Known Member

    He plays defense
     
  7. JackReacher

    JackReacher Well-Known Member

    I can't figure out who to vote for, so I'll just draw some attention to myself and write a column urging the voters to "think outside the box" and vote for some random offensive lineman who has no business winning the award, but he sure seems like a good kid who does things the right way and doesn't get the attention he deserves.
     
  8. zagoshe

    zagoshe Well-Known Member

    The two worst kinds of columns/blogs/stories from reporters are "why I voted for this player for this award..." or "why my top 25 ballot was this...."

    Almost always it is a bunch of ridiculous crap trying to (a) make the reporter the story and (b) rationalize and idiotic decision
     
  9. jr/shotglass

    jr/shotglass Well-Known Member

    Someone like, oh ...

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/sportsman/news/20131204/john-urschel-my-sportsman/
     
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  10. JackReacher

    JackReacher Well-Known Member

    Not really. Totally different things. John Urschel certainly seems worthy of that "award."
     
  11. jr/shotglass

    jr/shotglass Well-Known Member

    Meh. I think they're much closer than you do.
     
  12. JackReacher

    JackReacher Well-Known Member

    Obviously.

    What's the criteria for being SI's Sportsman of the Year?
     
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