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Soccer - "The Un- American Activity"

Discussion in 'Anything goes' started by Boom_70, Jul 4, 2006.

  1. shotglass

    shotglass Guest

    Who. Fucking. Cares.

    This machismo is embarrassing.
     
  2. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    Exactly.
     
  3. Twoback

    Twoback Active Member

    What exactly does that mean, Poin?
    You think Ronaldinho's going to back into La Liga and be as invisible as he was in the World Cup?
    Or that Frank Lampard's going back to Chelsea and will commence knocking every chance he gets over the bar?
     
  4. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    And if Ray Lewis tried to execute a backflip on a balance beam, he likely would break his neck.

    Neither of which means a damn thing.
     
  5. Columbo

    Columbo Active Member

    I don't agree.

    My conjecture would be that about 20 percent of NFL linemen are in the condition you describe.
     
  6. trounced

    trounced Active Member

    That's true and it is unfortunate. Another problem is some kids who are excellent athletes when they are younger simply don't grow. Kids develop at such different rates. Unfortunately, many kids who would become much better athletes as high schoolers are placed on the back burner to make room for the great younger athlete who stops growing in eighth grade.
     
  7. printdust

    printdust New Member

    I sure as hell don't think many soccer players and even football players (OK, William Perry and Nathaniel Newton excluded) could be champions at ESPN's newest psuedosport, competitive eating.
     
  8. Smallpotatoes

    Smallpotatoes Well-Known Member

    Sometimes I wonder how many kids never realize their potential in a sport because the current youth sports system feels the need to cull the herd at an early age.
    Everyone thinks the best 6-year-old is going to be the best 10-year-old and the best 10-year-old is going to be the best 16-year-old. That does happen sometimes, but life isn't that predictable.
     
  9. JayFarrar

    JayFarrar Well-Known Member

    I got to this party late, my New Yorker just came in the mail and I just finished the Toobin piece.
    My one gripe is how sports sexism made another appearance.
    Yes, the American men's soccer team had a terrible tourney, but to ignore the past success of the women's team is embarassing. It wasn't even a full paragraph, just a throwaway line on Mia Hamm and how the women's professional league tanked.
    It just seems like that happens a lot whenever soccer is discussed.
    Ragu, Boom and the rest remind of my old peewee football coaches who would scream and curse at you. You got praise only if the other kid you were hitting left the drill because he was hurt or you had to stop because you were blinded from the blood dripping down into your eyes.
    You were tough then, a real man at 10 or 11.
    It just seems comical to me now. Did then as well.
     
  10. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    Jay - I am sorry that you had a bad experience in football -- its just not a game for everybody. If coaches today treated kids as you discribe said kids would be off to another sport or their play station.

    Football is a tough physical game. It is not a finnesse sport. If kids are going to be taught to play the game correctly they need to understand and accept that contact is part of the sport. As a coach you are not doing anyone any favors by accecpting a lack of toughness. When a kid is afraid to tackle, as a coach I think you have an obligation to be brutally honest and suggest another sport. The kids who tend to shy away from contact are the ones who end up getting hurt.

    I would term soccer more of an endurance sport- just as there are kids who can't deal with the contact, there are kids who can't hack all the running that soccer demands.

    Good point you raise on Toobin on giving Womens soccer very little
     
  11. The Franchise

    The Franchise Member

    As my middle school principal used to say:

    "Soccer is a Communist plot to make sissies out of Americans."
     
  12. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    It's unfortunate that you read anything I wrote on this thread and took that away from it. I have *a lot* of experience with youth football and I have a unique overview of youth football nationally in this country. In one post, if you go back, you'll notice that I wrote that I thought it is ridiculous for very young kids to be wearing pads and playing tackle football. They aren't ready for it, in my opinion. In my post about the NFL's youth football programs, I pointed out the things that I think they do right--they encourage participation, they stress fundamentals before they stress competition, every kid gets to experience every position, they only encourage the kids, never disparage them. I wrote in that post that those are *good* things.

    So now I am very troubled that you'd mischaracterize what I believe in the way you did above. I don't advocate abusing young athletes verbally or physically, and I'd have a *huge* problem with any adult that did. I don't advocate treating anyone--athlete or otherwise--with anything amounting to the lack of respect that you just attributed to me.

    In particular, I wonder what I wrote that would make you think that. Please fill me in. But if you just decided to make assumptions about me and attribute an abusive and mean-spirited attitude to me on the basis of absolutely nothing, I'd really appreciate your not doing it. It's wrong and it's unfair.
     
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