Sopranos 6/10 -- THE END

Johnny Dangerously · Dec 15, 2014

JayFarrar said:

Interesting theory on the nj.com blog.
The last nine episodes represent the nine circles of Dante's Hell.
Good stuff

-A theory proposed by a reader of the NJ.com Sopranos blog using the handle Lorbnash: the nine episodes of this season have represented the nine circles of Hell from Dante's "The Divine Comedy." The fourth circle, for instance, is for the greedy and the miserly; the fourth episode was Tony and Hesh's gambling showdown. The seventh circle is where the suicides go; A.J. took his dip in the family pool in episode seven. The ninth circle is for the traitors, and Butchie implicitly betrayed Phil. (For added fun, reader Joe Adler pointed out the similarities between the Eugene Delacroix painting "The Barque of Dante" and the Annie Leibovitz promotional image on the season five DVD set. Google them both if you want your mind blown.)
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The Barque of Dante

Starman · Jun 11, 2007

JayFarrar said:

The Good Doctor said:

Two things. That's an awesome catch, and he has waaaaay too much time on his hands.
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Or a writer on the show. Wouldn't be the first time that has happened.
And Nikki Finke isn't a moron. I'm kinda wondering something as well.
The buzz before the show aired was that Chase had filmed three or four endings and cast members had said regardless what aired, it would leave no doubt on the possibility of a followup movie. I believe what was said, the only way a movie could be done was if it was a prequel.
So with this ending, do you really believe that it could have went down three or four different ways? And did it end in such a fashion that a movie wasn't a possibility?
Either that was all bullshit or the short answer to both is, no.
To me this is a telling line in Finke's post

There's even buzz that the real ending will only be available on the series' final DVD.
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That seems more than plausible.
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A movie -- or a sequel series -- is certainly possible given the ending. I don't think they will, but they certainly could.

Tony, Carmela, Meadow and AJ are all still alive. Paulie Walnuts, the nearest thing to an indispensable minor character in the series, is still alive. Sil is hanging on, he looks bad, but no reason to think in movie-land he couldn't be up and about in a couple of weeks.

The court case against Tony is apparently about to get under way.

NY is being run by a schmuck, Butchie, nobody knows whether to trust or whether he's competent to do the job.

Uncle Jun is still alive, apparently almost completely zoned out, but ancient seniors in that situation come and go into lucidity.

Janice is still alive, now with her plan to meld Bobby's kids, Nica, the Spadafore kids, and her former boyfriend Harpo/Hal all together into a warm loving nuclear family unit, made me hoot about as loudly as anything I've seen on "The Sopranos" in the last couple of years.

Maybe Chase wants to launch a sitcom spinoff, "Janice's Family," a mishmash of "Roseanne," "Married... With Children," "My Three Sons" and "The Godfather" ?

There are any number of ways a sequel movie could go. It goes on, and on, and on, and on....

steveu · Jun 11, 2007

Not too bad an ending. But to hear some people talk, David Chase better avoid restaurants that serve cannoli. (Dates himself with Godfather reference.)

djc3317 · Jun 11, 2007

Appgrad05 said:

The first minute after the credits, I hated it. Absolutely detested it on a Seinfeld-like level. But it's growing on me, more and more, for all the reasons already posted.
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I kind of agree. The psychobabble stuff from some of the posts here makes the ending of the episode fine by me, when I didn't like it immediately as the show was ending -- at least in part because I was pissed off, reaching for the DVR remote to figure out why the recording crapped out when the screen went black. I'm still in the group who would have liked a little more resolution, but I can accept the way it ended without hating it. Maybe that's about as good as I could have expected.

Starman · Jun 11, 2007

steveu said:

Not too bad an ending. But to hear some people talk, David Chase better avoid restaurants that serve cannoli. (Dates himself with Godfather reference.)
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Try the veal. It's the best in the city.

Simon_Cowbell · Jun 11, 2007

Zeke12 said:

When they showed him waking up, I totally thought we were getting a dream ending.

I'll throw this out as a question:

What is the connection with the dead babies and cars?

We know the dead baby fascination comes from Livia -- it's a classic, over-the-top sociopathic tool for manipulation. But in the last three-four episodes, the allusions to dead children have both been increasing and increasingly tied to automobiles. Cars aren't uniquely American, but they certainly are a huge part of the overall American ethos.

Along with the title, "Made In America", is Chase making a statement about American children? Did we used to make them both better?
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We haven't seen a dead baby yet on this show.

Simon_Cowbell · Jun 11, 2007

Zeke12 said:

Sorry, Jay, but from this:

Even if David Chase, who wrote and directed the final episode, was demonstrating the existential and endless loop of Tony's life or the moments before the hit that causes his death, it still robbed the audience of visual closure. And if it were done to segue into a motion picture sequel, then that kind of crass commercialism shouldn't be tolerated. (See my Does Chase Have 'Sopranos' Movie Idea?)

Plug your own site while complaining about someone else's commercialism much?

And this:

Chase clearly didn't give a damn about his fans. Instead, he crapped in their faces. This is why America hates Hollywood. Unlike some network series that end abruptly because broadcasters pull the plug without warning, The Sopranos has been slated for years to go off the air tonight. But instead of carefully crafted, this finale looked like it had been concocted in a day or two. (Some of the scenes were cut so abruptly, they caused whiplash.)

Which just simply isn't true, I get a strong whiff of moron.
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Dude... Chase could walk to your house and shit on your face, literally, and you would think it is brilliant.

You are so stilted, your calling critical reviews moronic is laughable.

Webster · Jun 11, 2007

What was the deal wth the reactions shots of the four black kids and the guy with the moustache after Phil was shot? That seemed very strange.

Simon_Cowbell · Jun 11, 2007

Watched it again.

Pile of shit ending.

Tony could not give less of a shit about his surroundings during the sequence. He was happy as a clam, or onion ring.

We were the only ones squirming, because Chase, of 16-month hiatuses and extended Vito-in-NH storylines, was playing us one last time.

Great, great run, though. For the show to be that good despite his pervasive arrogance... really incredible.

My favorite "little moment" that this show is by far the best ever with:

Tony singing the Rocky theme.

Tony to Harris: "He's making a molehill out of it."

AJ butchering DEFCON terminology ("We're all in DEFCON 4").

"Miffled"

Any criticism aside, Gandolfini finished off the greatest tour de force by an actor that we will probably ever see.

It's OK if he is never anything else of consequence.

Finally, Paulie was given a star sendoff. Great lines and grimaces galore from the best face of my TV-watching lifetime.

I thought it very interesting that Paulie said Ralph Cifaretto was "MIA".

The truth never seeped out to the inner sanctum.

Fenian_Bastard · Jun 11, 2007

Great use of music -- "It's Alright Ma" during AJ's little auto tryst, and "All You Can Dream" by Little Feat when TS walks into the diner.

Simon_Cowbell · Dec 15, 2014

From the Herald
http://www.miamiherald.com/924/gallery/135544.html

From the Sun-Sentinel site (nicely racked, Lorraine):
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-sopranos_finale,0,3623466.photogallery?coll=sfla-home-headlines

video:

http://video.sun-sentinel.com/global/video/popup/pop_player.asp?ClipID1=1502248&h1=On%20the%20Red%20Carpet%20with%20the%20Sopranos%20crew&vt1=v&at1=V&d1=115600&LaunchPageAdTag=entertainment&fvCatNo=&backgroundImageURL=&activePane=info&playerVersion=1&hostPageUrl=http%3A//www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-11sopranosjun11%2C0%2C2639115.story%3Fcoll%3Dsfla-home-headlines&rnd=27749732

Nice turnout by the cast, just for a 15G swag bag.

It freaks me out that Don't Stop Believin ended the show. That was the first song I fell in love with in my high school years, and I think that Steve Perry and Neil Schon are criminally underrated.

T2 · Jun 11, 2007

Was anyone else wondering why in this episode the seasons seemed to be changing with every scene? Sometimes it was summer at the beach, sometimes we were in the middle of a snowstorm, sometimes there were piles of autumn leaves on the ground. With every abrupt change, I thought momentarily that we might have gone to a flashback. Or did the episode play out over a couple of years (not likely)?

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