Sports Illustrated (Reggie Bush cover)

DyePack · Jul 24, 2006

broadway joe said:

DyePack said:

broadway joe said:

DyePack said:

broadway joe said:

Lee Jackson Beauregard said:

broadway joe said:

I'm not saying SI doesn't have its problems. One of them is that the writers are stretched too thin, with the website, the special sections like Golf Plus, etc.
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Yes, I'm certain the journalism community at large is really wringing its hands over SI being stretched too thin.

All other points well noted, I will find a non-Kirkpatrick piece, if that will make you right. It doesn't matter to me. I just want you to be able make a tangible comparison. Serious, it's night and day. I'm not even that old, and I sound like a 91-year-old grandmother, but the shit was better then. It just was.
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I don't give a shit what the journalism community is wringing its hands about. My point was that SI writers are working under different conditions than they were 20 years ago. There was a time when all they had to worry about was the weekly magazine. That's no longer the case, and it's one of many factors that may have diluted the overall quality of the magazine. I'm not asking anyone to shed any tears for them. Jesus. Is it possible for anyone to respond without some wiseass, sarcastic comment?
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Sounds like they are working under the same conditions the rest of the community faces.

Are you now saying the quality of the magazine has been diluted?
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Except the rest of the community isn't being held up to the standards of SI at its finest.

If you look back at my previous posts, you'll see that I said SI has its problems. I'm not contradicting myself by saying the quality of the magazine has been diluted. Most of the stuff in the front of the magazine, like SI Players and The Beat, is fan magazine bullshit that I could do without. But the stories are still pretty goddamn good for the most part.
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There you go again, showing your obvious bias.

I think they've gone downhill in the last 15 to 20 years. We have now argued in a circle back to the original point.
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Well, that tells me you're either unable or unwilling to understand what I've been sayingblahblahblah
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No, it and the other posts tell me you are a fucking moron, joe.

Any dipshit can look at any criticism and say "No, that's not valid," and that's precisely what you've done through this whole thing.

You obviously have some bias here that you don't have the guts to admit, so you hide behind your bullshit answers.

If you want to try to understand something, try understanding the difference between good writing and stilted hyperbole. You obviously don't; probably never have and never will.

broadway joe · Jul 24, 2006

BTExpress said:

I still maintain that WE have changed more than the magazine.

We're no longer naive 14-year-olds reading this stuff for the first time and having our eyes pop out of our heads at the sight of Cheryl Tiegs in a fishnet swimsuit.

Is SI more "juvenile" today than it was 30 years ago?

Yes . . . to a degree.

It has juvenile cotton candy . . . but it also has the same meat that it always has had. Where did you read about Caminiti's steroid accusations? SI. Where did you read Game of Shadows excerpts? SI. Where do you read Gary Smith? SI. Was the diving story juvenile? The story on the cross-country runner who committed suicide? The Kellerman piece? The Agassi piece?

Everyone here recognizes that we have a serious problem attracting readers whose attention spans are measured in seconds. So for those people who don't have the inclination to read the Agassi story, SI gives them some cotton candy, too. Does that make them sellouts? Does that mean they should be accused of trying to be ESPN Magazine? You saw the illustration (or lack thereof) for the Agassi story. Doesn't that answer your concerns?
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BT, you speak the truth. Absolutely right on.

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