Sports reporter to undergo sex change

What process is that? Reparative therapy? Were you aware that its condemend as unethical?

That there is no evidence of its efficacy?

That they consider the 30% success rate they have incredible -- and that half of those are suicides?

That there is no Standard of Care for it, outlining what is to be done?

and, lastly, that its for gay people, and I'm straight, so it ain't gonna do me any good anyway? THis isn't about my sexual orientation, this is about my gender.

oh, and, just because its really offensive that you said that: the two largest groups are NARTH and Exodus. Both use information from a known hate group (and in some cases from two known hate groups) for supporting their positions.

 

Are you legally allowed to do that?

 

Wait -- see this is what happens on these threads -- people make wild assumptions about what others do or don't believe.

Ace -- I have no problem with somone changing their plumbing -- or sticking 14 ear-rings in their nose for that matter -- if it makes them happy.

That's not my issue, my issue is this idea that we must somehow validate and sanction every form of deviant and or freakish (sorry if you can come up with a better word because I am speaking of more than just transgender people) behaviour that comes down the pike and that every time someone decides to "come out" we are supposed to hail them as some sort of courageous hero.

 

Would you tell a person suffering from depression to embrace it?

It's the same thing here.

It's people taking charge of their lives. What's so bad about that?

 

I'm really starting to like this guy/girl....

 

No. You mentioned the special treatment these people expect. Since I don't see any of them asking for anything other than to be treated like anyone else, I assumed you must mean the medical treatment since you seem to think it's unecessary.

What special treatment are these folks demanding?

 

um, you do realize that in most industries that's already illegal, right?

That is, hiring a woman becuase the job is a woman's job. So far you had avoided too much misogyny, but here you just not only slipped, you switched tracks.

How about we do a bit of corrective editing?

If you were to hire a person and fire them becuase you thought that their changing their gender somehow changed their ability to perform the job, I'm going to look at you and say prove it.

But, as the law stands right now across most of the United States, you can do exactly that. And yes, I think that's wrong.

 

Hockeybeat -- No, but depression is a sickness. Are you telling me that transgenderness is a sickness?

Dysonance -- All of the facts and figures you are using, with all due respect, are a matter of opinion and the opinion -- sorry, findings) are always (or usually) based on the agenda of those doing the research. Again, there are people on the other side who believe they have medical proof that it works.

 

OK -- If I owned a strip joint for female strippers and you were one of the strippers and changed your sex to a male, that wouldn't be a good reason for me to fire you?

That is an extreme but there are jobs better suited for women than men and vice versa.

 

Again, there are people on the other side who believe that's not true.

 

And the source for those figures is the "other side", Zagoshe. Those are Exodus' own figures. THose are the facts of the APA's condemnation: it is an unethical practice. And the "medical proof" it works is supplied in part by a hate group. Those are all facts.

But, again, that applies to gays.

We're not talking about gays.

We're talking about transgendered people -- and, specifically, transsexuals.

Those things don't apply to to us.

 

In *that* specific case, yes. And the legistlation in congress at present is respectfu and aware of that.

Now, give me one that isn't so extreme.