Still think Texas has never executed anyone who was innocent?

But by your own standard on this thread, every execution makes the state a criminal.

Lock 'em up in a supermax, throw away the key.

Killing them isn't equivalent to "justice," nor is your worry about future crimes worth the price of the states' moral standing.

 

I would have no problem with the most reprehensible criminals leading a life of pain in prison and death being the only escape. Maybe a shitbag like Ted Bundy or Clifford Olson would learn to have some empathy for the fellow human before their rotten life is extinguished.

 

Whenever I get frustrated that I'm surrounded by flawed shitheads, I am comforted that I can come here and be among hundreds of perfect people.

 

Right, but then we have a flawed shithead around.

 

I feel like I'm being obtuse. So do-over.

I wish that some of you would find it in your hearts to forgive. That's not to say throw open the prison gates and let everyone back out. But at least try to acknowledge that people can change, even people who commit the most heinous crimes imaginable. I would not want to live in a world where personal redemption was not attainable.

 

Um, no - the government enforcing its laws and killing violent criminals is not the same as people killing for no reason other than they are violent criminals.

The states' moral standing would be just fine if it started killing these fuckers - and making their families watch while they die.

 

Your position on abortion argues otherwise. Which is what I was referring to.

 

According to some around here, there is no way to know for a fact that Ted Bundy was guilty since we never saw his crime on videotape, thus he should not have been executed as there is a chance he may have been innocent....

 

The position which states it should be legal even though I don't like the actual act?

 

Back to the beginning...

With a lack of physical evidence, I'd say you have enough here for reasonable doubt, and thus a likely acquittal at trial.

But, I'm not sure we've proven that Carlos Hernandez was the killer, and not DeLuna.

 

I would not want to live in that world either but at some point aren't there people who by their actions have forfeited their right to live in society? I would like to think that everyone is capable of personal redemption but I simply can't reconcile that with the ghastly nature of some of the crimes that are committed.

Here in Canuckistan there was a dirtbag who kidnapped, raped (multiple times) and murdered a little girl. I don't see how anyone who could possibly do such a thing is capable of any kind of redemption.

There are some things a person simply can't get redemption on.

 

They can be redeemed, they still must pay for their crimes.

And these fuckheads who commit these crimes and have no remorse should be shot before they get out of the courtroom.