Super Bowl XLIII Running Thread

Blitz · Feb 10, 2009

Big Ben will someday enter the Hall of Fame.
He's piled up big stats and is a multi-Super Bowl champion.
The guy is among the top 5 or 6 QBs in the league right now, when healthy.
There's no disputing any of this. Try as you may.
Hall of Fame, if his career ended today.

93Devil · Feb 10, 2009

Junkie said:

cyclingwriter said:

Junkie said:

I guess I'm in the minority in that I refuse to give a quarterback too much credit for a Super Bowl win. There are 11 guys on the field at a time. There are 40 who play key roles every game. A quarterback gets too much blame when team's lose. I'll stand behind my claim that Terry Bradshaw is the most over-rated player ever based on who was on his team. He could not sniff Archie Manning's talent level, but Archie had zero help. Hell, Greg Landry, also of that era, would have four rings had he fallen onto that team instead of Bradshaw.

Roethlisberger is another run-of-the-mill MAC QB, a bit better than his back-up, also a MAC guy, no better than Chad Pennington. He happened to fall into the perfect situation -- great team in all facets -- where all he has to do is not screw it up.

The Steelers, apart from QB, are a far cry better than any Patriots team has been in the last 10 years. Brady won three Super Bowls because he elevates them. The Steelers have won two because Roethlisberger has managed to stay out of his team's way most of the time.

And twoback, I've watched Big Ben plenty. I'm not not a blind homer like this site is inundated with. But if you ever want to go head to head on football knowledge, be it historical or strategic, let's do that some time.
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I'd say you are in the minority for not giving Roethlisberger credit for wins, you seem to want to say Brady and Pennington are responsible for every victory and have nothing to do with losses.
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I'm not crediting Pennington with anything other than being better at playing quarterback than Roethlisberger, who is only better at getting drafted by the right team. ... Brady, however, deserves a mountain of credit for making his team better.
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Junkie, what was Pittsburgh's record the season before they drafted Roethlisberger?

What was their record the first season he was a starter?

outofplace · Feb 10, 2009

Junkie said:

outofplace said:

spup1122 said:

Maybe no one is taking a shot at identifying them because no one cares.

Just a thought.
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Or perhaps they don't like the point it will make, which is far more likely.
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No, Spup was correct.

And Pennington will have a playoff track record if/when he gets away from shitty teams. Roethlisberger's playoff record is better than most in history. He, however, is not.
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Pennington has been on decent teams. He fails when the games matter most. I'm betting you do see that, but again, your desire to tweak Steelers fans at all times is taking over here.

And please, don't give posters credit for lines they were being fed.

You just know how those comparisons go and rightfully assume that Roethlisberger's statistics at this point of his career compare favorably to a Hall of Fame quarterback. I'll give you a hint. He is the reason Roethlisberger wears No. 7.

Twoback · Feb 10, 2009

Lee Jackson Beauregard said:

Twoback said:

Lee Jackson Beauregard said:

In five seasons, Roethlisberger has won two
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There's that stuff again. This isn't tennis.

It is hooey, it is guff, it is buncombe, it is horseshit, it needs to go.
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Yeah, that's convenient.
So what say you about Greg Maddux's 360-some victories?
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You're stretching. There's no congruency at all.

You just said they won in spite of him in XL. That would indicate he doesn't deserve any kind of mark in his "win column."

Team sport, all that. This "he's x-x in the postseason" is such lazy ****.
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I pointed out the multiple instances in which he contributed to the Super Bowl victory in 2005. And, again, one game does not make a Super Bowl championship. The Steelers had to win three games just to get there, and he was huge in each of those games.
It's a team sport, but ultimately a quarterback is judged on championships. It's the difference between Montana and Warren Moon.
Moon: 49,325 yards, 291 TDs.
Montana: 40,551 yards, 273 TDs.
Are you going to tell me, tell all of this board, that Moon was the better QB?
C'mon, I dare you.

93Devil · Feb 10, 2009

No, but he will tell you Kenny Anderson was a far better player than Bradshaw

Twoback · Feb 10, 2009

Junkie said:

JC, No arm that threw few 3600 yards? Interesting. How did Big Ben throw for merely 3,300 with that cannon of his? With his top two receivers far better than anything the Dolphins have to offer? How were so many of his big-armed throws picked off.

Who had a better arm, Joe Montana or Vinny Testaverde? Why did one win more than the other?
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I thought you said winning wasn't important.

Simon_Cowbell · Feb 10, 2009

Blitz said:

Big Ben will someday enter the Hall of Fame.
He's piled up big stats and is a multi-Super Bowl champion.
The guy is among the top 5 or 6 QBs in the league right now, when healthy.
There's no disputing any of this. Try as you may.
Hall of Fame, if his career ended today.
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Craziest post on this hallucinogenic thread.

Simon_Cowbell · Feb 10, 2009

Junkie said:

cyclingwriter said:

Junkie said:

I guess I'm in the minority in that I refuse to give a quarterback too much credit for a Super Bowl win. There are 11 guys on the field at a time. There are 40 who play key roles every game. A quarterback gets too much blame when team's lose. I'll stand behind my claim that Terry Bradshaw is the most over-rated player ever based on who was on his team. He could not sniff Archie Manning's talent level, but Archie had zero help. Hell, Greg Landry, also of that era, would have four rings had he fallen onto that team instead of Bradshaw.

Roethlisberger is another run-of-the-mill MAC QB, a bit better than his back-up, also a MAC guy, no better than Chad Pennington. He happened to fall into the perfect situation -- great team in all facets -- where all he has to do is not screw it up.

The Steelers, apart from QB, are a far cry better than any Patriots team has been in the last 10 years. Brady won three Super Bowls because he elevates them. The Steelers have won two because Roethlisberger has managed to stay out of his team's way most of the time.

And twoback, I've watched Big Ben plenty. I'm not not a blind homer like this site is inundated with. But if you ever want to go head to head on football knowledge, be it historical or strategic, let's do that some time.
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I'd say you are in the minority for not giving Roethlisberger credit for wins, you seem to want to say Brady and Pennington are responsible for every victory and have nothing to do with losses.
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I'm not crediting Pennington with anything other than being better at playing quarterback than Roethlisberger, who is only better at getting drafted by the right team. ... Brady, however, deserves a mountain of credit for making his team better.
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Yet, without Bledsoe against Pittsburgh, the Pats probably don't make it to SB XXXVI... perhaps not to any SBs with Brady.

Simon_Cowbell · Feb 10, 2009

Twoback said:

Lee Jackson Beauregard said:

Twoback said:

Lee Jackson Beauregard said:

In five seasons, Roethlisberger has won two
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There's that stuff again. This isn't tennis.

It is hooey, it is guff, it is buncombe, it is horseshit, it needs to go.
Click to expand...

Yeah, that's convenient.
So what say you about Greg Maddux's 360-some victories?
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You're stretching. There's no congruency at all.

You just said they won in spite of him in XL. That would indicate he doesn't deserve any kind of mark in his "win column."

Team sport, all that. This "he's x-x in the postseason" is such lazy ****.
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I pointed out the multiple instances in which he contributed to the Super Bowl victory in 2005. And, again, one game does not make a Super Bowl championship. The Steelers had to win three games just to get there, and he was huge in each of those games.
It's a team sport, but ultimately a quarterback is judged on championships. It's the difference between Montana and Warren Moon.
Moon: 49,325 yards, 291 TDs.
Montana: 40,551 yards, 273 TDs.
Are you going to tell me, tell all of this board, that Moon was the better QB?
C'mon, I dare you.
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My decoder ring stopped working when I got to the part of your post with the interception and sack numbers

Simon_Cowbell · Feb 10, 2009

93Devil said:

No, but he will tell you Kenny Anderson was a far better player than Bradshaw
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Don't laugh at that.

I love Bradshaw, but Ken Anderson, surrounded by shit, was excellent.

outofplace · Feb 10, 2009

Simon_Cowbell said:

Junkie said:

cyclingwriter said:

Junkie said:

I guess I'm in the minority in that I refuse to give a quarterback too much credit for a Super Bowl win. There are 11 guys on the field at a time. There are 40 who play key roles every game. A quarterback gets too much blame when team's lose. I'll stand behind my claim that Terry Bradshaw is the most over-rated player ever based on who was on his team. He could not sniff Archie Manning's talent level, but Archie had zero help. Hell, Greg Landry, also of that era, would have four rings had he fallen onto that team instead of Bradshaw.

Roethlisberger is another run-of-the-mill MAC QB, a bit better than his back-up, also a MAC guy, no better than Chad Pennington. He happened to fall into the perfect situation -- great team in all facets -- where all he has to do is not screw it up.

The Steelers, apart from QB, are a far cry better than any Patriots team has been in the last 10 years. Brady won three Super Bowls because he elevates them. The Steelers have won two because Roethlisberger has managed to stay out of his team's way most of the time.

And twoback, I've watched Big Ben plenty. I'm not not a blind homer like this site is inundated with. But if you ever want to go head to head on football knowledge, be it historical or strategic, let's do that some time.
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I'd say you are in the minority for not giving Roethlisberger credit for wins, you seem to want to say Brady and Pennington are responsible for every victory and have nothing to do with losses.
Click to expand...

I'm not crediting Pennington with anything other than being better at playing quarterback than Roethlisberger, who is only better at getting drafted by the right team. ... Brady, however, deserves a mountain of credit for making his team better.
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Yet, without Bledsoe against Pittsburgh, the Pats probably don't make it to SB XXXVI... perhaps not to any SBs with Brady.
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I already tried that one, but logic apparently isn't working.

93Devil · Feb 10, 2009

Simon_Cowbell said:

93Devil said:

No, but he will tell you Kenny Anderson was a far better player than Bradshaw
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Don't laugh at that.

I love Bradshaw, but Ken Anderson, surrounded by shit, was excellent.
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No doubt, but to say Pittsburgh would be 4-0, or even made it to four SBs, with Anderson is a huge reach.

Anderson in the playoffs, 2-6.

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