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Super Bowl XLIII Running Thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by The Good Doctor, Jan 18, 2009.

  1. Twoback

    Twoback Active Member

    Oh, so that's the difference.
    Not the Super Bowls.
    OK.
     
  2. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Those are fairly significant differences, twoback. Especially the interceptions. Obviously, Super Bowls are a part of it, too.
     
  3. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    Junkie, I'm painting a house this weekend. Where can I get a brush that broad?
     
  4. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    So, when do all your posts on this thread disappear?

    Sorry Junkie. You are using the ridiculous extreme rather than addressing the actual arguments on the thread. Utter fail.
     
  5. cyclingwriter

    cyclingwriter Active Member

    The Bengals had Anthony Munoz and Charlie Joyner, who are both in the Hall, also Bill Walsh and Paul Brown as coaches.

    The overall point is Roesthlisberger, Bradshaw, Montana, Moon, Warner and pretty much every quarterback in the Hall of Fame went to a team at the right time, with the right players and the right coaches. Is that their fault? A lot of guys had similar chances and failed...Craig Morton in Dallas in the late 1960s; Steve DeBerg in SanFran and Denver in the early 1980s; Cody Carlson in Houston in the 1990s.

    The problem with what ifs, is you really can't say. What if Jim McMahon and his cannon of an arm went to a pass-happy team? What if Marino played for the mid-1980s Bears. What if Archie Manning shot two more X chromosones? What if Jim Brown didn't retire in his prime? What if Trent Green never got hurt? What if Johnny Unitas made the Steelers roster? What if Joe Namath went to the Cardinals in 1965? What if Lamar Hunt bought the Cardinals instead of forming a new league? What if the USFL got more than $1?
     
  6. Twoback

    Twoback Active Member

    If Montana had no Super Bowls and those numbers, he wouldn't be talked about as perhaps the greatest QB of all time.
    Winning defined him.
    Troy Aikman had 8,000 fewer yards than Montana and 165 TDs. Ben's only 60 away from that TD mark after just 5 years, before his 27th birthday. But Troy won three Super Bowls.
    I just don't see why the standard changes for Roethlisberger.
     
  7. Oz

    Oz Well-Known Member

    Tommy Maddox, Kordell Stewart and Neil O'Donnell were dealt pocket aces sitting in the big blind, too, but they didn't convert those championship-caliber defenses into winning hands. But you will not acknowledge that.

    The Steelers went 6-10 in 2004, then 15-1 in 2005. The leading rusher (Bettis), receiver (Ward) and even defensive leaders (Porter, Farrior, Polamalu) remained the same. So what changed, what made the difference? Quarterback maybe?
     
  8. 93Devil

    93Devil Well-Known Member

    And Trumpy and Curtis who had eight pro bowls between them. Bob Johnson was all-conference seven times, Lemar Parrish went to eight Pro Bowls. Ken Reily was all conference four times, Archie Griffin was pretty good in college, Pete Johnson, Max Montoya played in four Pro Bowls, Chris Collinsworth played in three and Coy Bacon for a couple seasons in his prime.

    Cincy had some players.

    Can anyone remember why Anderson was benched for the "Throwin Samoan?"
     
  9. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    I'm still waiting for somebody to tell me who all these Hall of Famers are on the current Pittsburgh offense. Roethlisberger is surrounded by superstars, right?

    Right now, the only guy even in the conversation is Hines Ward. Santonio Holmes was great in the Super Bowl, but I don't think he has ever had a game quite like that before.

    Simon made the excuse for Pennington earlier in the thread that his patchwork offensive line got exposed against the Ravens in the playoffs. Apparently he missed all the jailbreaks at the snap against Pittsburgh's line this season. They were terrible most of the season, finally raising their level to the point of mediocrity by playoff time.

    The standards simply seem to change depending on who is being evaluated.
     
  10. cyclingwriter

    cyclingwriter Active Member

    Don't forget Bill Bergey. Also do you mean Schonert in the first game of 81?
     
  11. cyclingwriter

    cyclingwriter Active Member

    He refused to wear the striped helmet
     
  12. 93Devil

    93Devil Well-Known Member

    Nope.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/ThomJa00.htm

    Third overall pick in 1979.
     
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