"the dark knight"/maggie g. debate

RossLT · Jun 15, 2009

Maybe she is really good in bed.

shockey · Jun 15, 2009

RossLT said:

Maybe she is really good in bed.
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DING! DING! DING! ;D ;D ;D

winner, winner, chicken dinner.

slappy4428 · Jun 15, 2009

She added as muc as the ADA as Elizabeth Rohm did to L&O; had her rare moments, but overall a big miss. She needed to be more dynamic for the role, and you came away thinking "eh"

RossLT · Jun 15, 2009

slappy4428 said:

She added as muc as the ADA as Elizabeth Rohm did to L&O; had her rare moments, but overall a big miss. She needed to be more dynamic for the role, and you came away thinking "eh"
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Rohm was so wooden on L&O. Nobody ever told her about the concept of changing the tone of her voice to show some emotion.

cwilson3 · Jun 15, 2009

I compare her to Leelee Sobieski. Someone I never dug, but she got lots of movies and some guys really thought she was hot. Just not me.

slappy4428 · Jun 15, 2009

cwilson3 said:

I compare her to Leelee Sobieski. Someone I never dug, but she got lots of movies and some guys really thought she was hot. Just not me.
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Leelee was a younger version of Helen Hunt -- cute, but wooden in front of a camera.

standman · Jun 15, 2009

Maggie G = Shelley Duval = Olive Oyl

Sly · Jun 15, 2009

After seeing it in the theater, I thought that TDK would be a movie I'd watch over and over again, but when I bought the DVD, the awful performances from Christian Bale and Maggie Gylennhaal had me turning it off about 45 minutes into my second viewing. I've actually watched Iron Man five or six times, though. Gwyneth pushes all my good buttons and then some.

thegrifter · Jun 15, 2009

Starman said:

JayFarrar said:

Wasn't the idea to cast Maggie G. was to setup a sequel where she was Harley Quinn?
That the accident didn't kill her, just made her crazy and the producers didn't think that Holmes had the acting chops to pull it off and decided to go with someone who was attractive but could also act.
Or maybe I just dreamed all of that.
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Katie Holmes dropped out of "The Dark Knight" (perhaps prompted by hubby) after her performance was just about the only thing about "Batman Begins" which was roundly panned. (Although she might have been pregnant with/or just had Suri when shooting was taking place, I forget.)

In any case, the consensus of most reports seemed to be that her departure was indeed a "mutual decision" -- she wanted to leave, and the Nolan team didn't try very hard to get her to stay.

Now, about Maggie G. -- to me she's kind of comparable to Kirsten Dunst -- sometimes she can look very hot and very sexy, other times she looks pretty plain.

In some ways that makes her seem more "real" -- the vast majority of women I know look much better some times than others.

I thought Gyllenhaal worked much better in the part because she looks more intelligent, more mature than Holmes, who still looks and sounds like a high school sophomore.

It was established in "BB" that Bruce Wayne had been gone 7 years after graduating from college, which would make him 28-29 or so (and TDK is set a year later).

Rachel is supposed to be about the same age as Bruce. It's not inconceivable although certainly unlikely if she was a dynamite student in law school and a top grad from an Ivy school she could have become an assistant DA.

Anyway if you're talking about billionaire vigilantes swinging around the rooftops in bat-suits and driving rocket-assisted tumbler tanks, whether Rachel Dawes was 5 years or so ahead of where her career advancement curve should have been is pretty far down on the suspension-of-disbelief scale.

While we're on the subject of TDK and since I just mentioned Kirsten Dunst, it occurred to me tonight watching TDK on HBO (I hadn't seen it in a few months) that it's kind of ironic, or failing that, bordering on plagiarism, that the climactic fight scene of "TDK" and the climactic fight scene of "Spider-Man 3" take place in almost identical settings -- a partially-finished skyscraper with the main hero having lengthy expository exchanges with the main villain.

At least TDK didn't fall into the trap of "SM3" -- actually, ALL the Spidey movies -- of trying to explain/rationalize the villain's villainous behavior.
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Actually, if I remember correctly, Holmes dropped out because she already committed to Mad Money with Diane Keaton and Queen Latifa and that was the project she preferred, believe it or not.

RossLT · Jun 15, 2009

Sly said:

After seeing it in the theater, I thought that TDK would be a movie I'd watch over and over again, but when I bought the DVD, the awful performances from Christian Bale and Maggie Gylennhaal had me turning it off about 45 minutes into my second viewing. I've actually watched Iron Man five or six times, though. Gwyneth pushes all my good buttons and then some.
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I am so relieved that I am not the only one that thought Bale was bad. He tries too hard to be the brooding, intense, dark guy.

Boom_70 · Jun 15, 2009

"Well she is no cheese cracker" / Chris L

mediaguy · Jun 15, 2009

Along the Christian Bale lines, surely you guys have seen this -- 9.1 million freaking views already -- but if you haven't, it's amusing ...

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