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The Economy

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by TigerVols, May 14, 2020.

  1. Hermes

    Hermes Well-Known Member

    While I’m all for unions, the American public’s support for a railroad strike right now would’ve been nonexistent.
     
  2. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    X's support for Y only goes as far as to the point at which X may be inconvenienced.
     
  3. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    It shouldn't be a matter of whether you are for unions or for railroad companies. In the statement from the White House, they said, "a win for tens of thousands of rail workers who worked tirelessly through the pandemic to ensure that America's families and communities got deliveries of what have kept us going during these difficult years."

    I get the pandering, as dumb as it is. But presumably CSX doesn't agree to a deal unless they see it as beneficial to their business, too. That is how negotiations work. Each side walks away happy and unhappy.

    The idea that people cast this in terms of winners and losers is how we really steer ourselves wrong as a country. This will amount to a 24 percent wage increase in wages over the next two years. There is no way that happens without the cost of transporting things by rail going up to offset the higher wages -- and in an inflationary environment as bad as the one we are in, it is symptomatic of a wage/price spiral that has made prices rise so fast that a lot of low wage earners are really suffering. Are they the "losers" then, if this has a predictable further inflationary effect on prices moving forward? Would Joe Biden ever put it that way?

    If it just creates a self-fulfilling inflationary prophecy, it is not unlikely that the net effect is going to be: 1) They get a "win" of the wage increase, 2) It filters through to the cost of just about everything because rails are so vital to the supply chain, 3 ) those workers actually feel a disproportionate effect of those increasing prices, because consumer staples are a dispoportionate percentage of their total spending at their salary levels, 4) their "win" translates to their standards of living decreasing.

    When I point that out, it's not that I am all for unions or all for rail companies. We should all simply be for people using whatever natural leverage they have to negotiate for their own benefit. But in general, rising costs (including the cost of labor) come with an offset. When people cast it as "unions" vs. "companies," or they want Joe Biden (or Donald Trump, or anyone other politician) with his hand in it trying to create a "win" for the constituency he is pandering to, they are always clueless to the likely real effects of the "win."
     
    Last edited: Sep 15, 2022
  4. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    It doesn't seem as if there was some major breakthrough, as the pay increase had already been settled on. The sticking point was the leave, and it seems there was only the barest of nudges there (essentially a slight recalibration of the scheme to allow for one more unpaid day off per period).
     
  5. Sam Mills 51

    Sam Mills 51 Well-Known Member

    Hermes, Batman, maumann and 2 others like this.
  6. goalmouth

    goalmouth Well-Known Member

    Up next: West Coast port strike/lockout threat. (Biden has power to order ports back to work under Taft-Hartley, as Bush did during lockout in 2002 (prior to election).)
     
    Last edited: Sep 15, 2022
  7. Hermes

    Hermes Well-Known Member

    You mean I didn’t have to read that 100-level treatise on collective bargaining?
     
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  8. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    Well, the course syllabus said it was optional, so ...
     
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  9. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    The Fed just raised another 75 basis points. That part wasn't a surprise, but all along the way of these rate hikes, markets have been assuming they would turn tail at the slightest sign of economic pain -- the way they have continually for the last 13 years. And the statement just now (waiting for the press confrence) was pretty hawkish and their "dot plot" is projecting that they will still higher for longer.

    I'm a bit surprised they are following through to the degree they are. The dot plot is meaningless, because they can do whatever they want. But they are just beginning to let maturities expire on some of the bonds on their balance sheet, and that is where the real liquidity / money printing occurred. There is no way something doesn't break, probably sooner rather than later.

    I don't think the fragile economy they created can handle rates this high (the 2 year is above 4 percent for the first time since 2004), and I am sure something is going to break -- the amount of overleverage, especially in corporate bonds, is way greater than it was in the bubbles that popped in 2000 and 2008. We'll see. The first thing to go could be in so many places. Emerging market debt, with the dollar is strong relative to everything else, are another candidate. Housing is another.

    I'll say this: The severe pain that is going to hit the American economy (and the world) is of their making. But markets have been so conditioned to them putting a Fed put under risk assets that nobody was taking them seriously. And Powell is talking tough and following through. ... for now. He realizes that unless he can pop some of the asset bubble, he can't get to the broader price inflation. So good on him for actually following through so far. But when this gets messy people -- if they continue on this path -- people are going to freak out.
     
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  10. MileHigh

    MileHigh Moderator Staff Member

    Some nice, fresh red meat for Ragu.

     
  11. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    That which constitutes an "extreme" interest rate hike is kinda like that which constitutes a "Trumpist" move: It's anything that anybody does that doesn't happen to be my cup of tea.
     
  12. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    I noticed that the Fed projection was that to get inflation down to the 2.3-2.5 percent range by 2024, rate hikes would also have the effect of raising the unemployment rate to around 4.5 percent. That wouldn't be ALL that big an increase from today's rate (3.6, right?). It'd be kind of a soft landing. So I suspect that projection is, to be kind, wildly optimistic, and to be accurate, political ass-covering.
     
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