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The Economy

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by TigerVols, May 14, 2020.

  1. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Amazon had revenue. And positive cash flow. And didn't come out of the gate with a billion dollars of losses in the half year leading up to its IPO, the way Rivian did.

    Amazon had no profits for long periods of its history. ... because it was reinvesting the cash its actual business generated (what a novel concept!) back into the company.

    Rivian doesn't have a business generating any money. Its funding has been solely due to its ability to get others to buy equity in the company or buy its debt. Close to $11 billion of financing before its IPO and another $12 billion after.

    Rivian doesn't really have that much common with Amazon. Amazon had an actual business with customers buying things.
     
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  2. rubenmateo

    rubenmateo Active Member

    I know quite a few millenials with savings who can't find a decent home they can afford, even with varying freedoms to work remote, and are resigned to renting for the forseeable future. Renting market isn't great now, either. This is different from the late 2000s bubble, and wages don't seem to be increasing at near enough of a rate to keep up with housing prices and scarcity, so when will things change? Between this and the childcare industry's economic problems, it doesn't sound like a good time to be a growing a young family. Just seems like the pandemic is widening the already shameful gap between the haves and the have-nots in this country.

    Will Real Estate Ever Be Normal Again?

    For Amena and Drew, their Austin home-buying odyssey was just beginning — a monthslong ordeal that would teach them quite a bit about the cruel realities of America’s housing market, in which home prices nationwide have risen by an astonishing 24.8 percent since March 2020. And this first lesson, appropriately enough, demonstrated just one of many ways that the old, measured rules of home-buying no longer applied — that the cutthroat competitiveness that once defined only a few U.S. markets (San Francisco, New York, Los Angeles) had now become standard across the country, as the median home price in small- and medium-size metropolitan areas rose by jaw-dropping levels: Boise, Idaho, 46 percent; Phoenix, 36 percent; Austin, 35 percent; Salt Lake City, 33 percent; Sacramento, 28 percent.

    By bidding on two properties she had never visited, in a city nearly 2,000 miles away, Amena joined the 63 percent of North American home buyers in 2020 who made at least one offer on a home that they had never stepped into.
     
  3. Hermes

    Hermes Well-Known Member

    That article makes it sound like deciding to live in Austin, Salt Lake City or Phoenix is choosing a backwater.

    Those are red hot markets.

    I assure them if working remotely, there are a bunch of mid-sized cities that are affordable.

    New York Times writers….
     
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  4. Slacker

    Slacker Well-Known Member

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  5. Sam Mills 51

    Sam Mills 51 Well-Known Member

    Because FoMoCo wants to worry only about trucks, SUVs and crossovers. I vehemently disagree with the approach, but someone in marketing and/or the beancounters have convinced the family that they produce bigger profit margins and have more interest from buyers.

    Nissan discontinued the Z for years, until the Altima sold enough units to get the manufacturer out of trouble. It realized that people wanted more than just trucks and SUVs. Wondering how long it will take FoMoCo to realize the same?
     
  6. dixiehack

    dixiehack Well-Known Member

    My parents bought a house three years ago in a town of 1600 people, located 70 miles from downtown Nashville and 10 miles from the county seat. We are talking certified country.

    And yet in three years their bog-standard 3 BR 2 BA has appreciated a little over 40 percent. It is insane.
     
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  7. Hermes

    Hermes Well-Known Member

    But, again, we’re talking the Nashville region.

    Remote work gives people the option of now choosing affordable places. They choose to live in hot markets. Which is fine. But let’s not declare America wholly unaffordable because houses near places that have Whole Foods markets are expensive.

    The best choice for a lot of Americans, and frankly our democracy, would be for a lot of young adults to move into areas that don’t feature $10 coffees. Their quality of life would improve and we’d reshape the electorate.

    I’m not holding my breath, but it would be a revolution if it was done en masse.
     
  8. dixiehack

    dixiehack Well-Known Member

    The only thing Nashville about where they live is the TV lineup. The biggest business in town is a Love’s truck stop.
     
  9. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    The pandemic real estate bubble (and the boom/bust mentality that goes with it) looks national.

    How long before it pops is anyone's guess.

    Feels like we're only about halfway through whatever it is Covid will do to the economy.
     
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  10. Hermes

    Hermes Well-Known Member

    The bubble already deflated out here in the sticks. My wife deals with a lot of estates, and home prices are down 25-30 percent from their summer highs.
     
  11. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    This isn't some mystery. Forget the insane amount of treasury debt the Fed hsa been monetizing (which drives up the price and drives down yields and creates insane amounts of leverage). Those idiots have also loaded up their balance sheet with trillions of dollars of mortgage-backed securities in the name of STIMULUSTM.

    When they began the latest round of debt monetization / quantitative easing when the pandemic hit, they included $40 billion a month in mortgage-backed securities. This was like injecting pure heroin into a junkie's veins, because the housing market was already bubbled up due to all of their debt monetization which has had real interest rates in negative territory. ... and incentivizes people (and lenders) to take risk they never would if the market was sending the right signals (which have been destroyed).

    With the increased asset buying, and the inflation throughout the whole economy they have stoked, real interest rates are somehwere between NEGATIVE 5 and 6 percent right now. It's pure insanity. And you are seeing it in the housing market. Shortages. Prices going parabolic. It's essentially what they did in the 2000s, except on steroids. ... and it's not just concentrated in one or two places like housing, it's an everything bubble now.

    How long it goes on? As long as they can continue spiking the punch bowl before the drunken party turns violent. They will either stop willingly (but they don't have the courage, because it is going to be ugly). Or they are going to lose control and the market will wrestle itself away from them and do it whether they like it or not.
     
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  12. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    It kind of makes me shake my head, FWIW. People are like, "I wonder why housing prices are going so crazy."

    When the Fed has been buying trillions of dollars of mortgage-backed securities to distort the lending market, driving rates far into negative territory in real terms, making it so that there are no lending standards because the price discovery is missing, and keeping so much money flowing that there are bidding wars and a frenzy.

    It's not this great mystery.
     
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