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The Economy

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by TigerVols, May 14, 2020.

  1. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    7 percent year over year headline CPI number. Highest since 1982.


     
  2. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    I would love to see his concrete example of the TV that went up 400 percent in price.

    I have bought two TVs in the 2000s. A 51-inch rear projection in 2004 for $1,800, and a 50-inch flat screen in 2021 for $448.
     
  3. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    That wasn't coming from the guy who wrote that. It was coming from the BLS on how they discount the hedonic value improvement of something. They gave an example of a TV set and they gave those numbers in their example.

    The point also wasn't about any one specific item. It was about how they have created convoluted methodology that has continually changed how the CPI is calculated and which has the effect of under-reporting the rise in the level of prices. The current numbers -- and we hit 7 percent year over year on the headline number this morning -- would be more than twice what they just reported if they still calculated the CPI the way they did using the straightforward formula they used in the 1970s.
     
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  4. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    FYI. ... This is what the BLS has on its website on that example:

    Item A is a 26-Inch CRT EDTV with S Video Input and a Universal Remote. It cost $250.
    Item B is a 42-Inch Plasma HDTV with S Video Input and a Universal Remote. It cost $1250

    They don't tell when Item A was available at that price, or when Item B was available at its price.

    But they give that example to demonstrate how using some nonsensical hedonic quality adjustment calculation they pulled out of their asses, the price of a TV somehow actually came down over time.

    Frequently Asked Questions about Hedonic Quality Adjustment in the CPI : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
     
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  5. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I'm sure there IS a newfangled TV like that which costs $1,250. Can find them that cost far more, too.

    But are there OTHER newfangled TVs out there that cost much less? Of course there are.
     
  6. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    This isn't someone trying to create a skewed example.

    The example came from the people who calculate the CPI.

    They were trying to explain how they take standard purchases at different points in time and adjust the prices based on their subjective notions of how the quality of the items differ.

    Their example isn't the point.

    The point of the Toronto Star article was that they continually change their methodology in ways like this and it has had the effect of making the changes in prices they report lower than they would have been under their previous methodologies.

    If you're stuck on that example the way you seem to be, forget that they are talking about TV sets. Consider a widget that cost $250 X years ago and the modern version of that widget costing $1250. ... but intsead of calculating the CPI from a baseline of $250, the BLS valuing that $250 widget at $1,345.02 instead. ... based on some convoluted adjustment they started using (again, from THEIR example). So they are telling people the price has declined by 7.1 percent.
     
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  7. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

  8. goalmouth

    goalmouth Well-Known Member

    Amtrak -- you know, the National Rail Passenger Corporation -- is cutting long distance trains from seven to five days a week. due to Covid and resignations/ dismissals. For transportation -- air, ship, train, bus -- it's going to take many years to recover, if ever.
     
  9. Mngwa

    Mngwa Well-Known Member

    I'm not certain normal comes back at all. I think things will reshape.
     
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  10. goalmouth

    goalmouth Well-Known Member

    Changed "normal" to "recover".
     
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  11. wicked

    wicked Well-Known Member

    The rich white folk who advocate for better public transportation are now not taking it because they don't want to get the COVID.

    The poor folk — of all colors — who want better public transportation are gonna get screwed as a result. The ridership levels on those routes, at least here, are at pre-pandemic levels.
     
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  12. goalmouth

    goalmouth Well-Known Member

    Just a note to say in our inflation-riddled country, gasoline is still cheaper than Coke.
     
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