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The Economy

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by TigerVols, May 14, 2020.

  1. wicked

    wicked Well-Known Member

    The ladyfriend bought one about eight months ago. I wasn’t on board with the purchase of a basic asf thing, but whatever. It’s in the basement so I never think of using it. I had a feeling it might become an albatross.
     
  2. Brooklyn Bridge

    Brooklyn Bridge Well-Known Member

    Figured this was a good place for this.

     
  3. sgreenwell

    sgreenwell Well-Known Member

    Brought up a couple pages back.
     
  4. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

  5. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    I had a bad feeling when I bought the wife a piano that it would be a novelty for a month and then gather dust. Happy to say I was wrong and that she plays almost every day (though never the songs I tell her I want to hear).
     
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  6. Hermes

    Hermes Well-Known Member

    Peloton has an issue even beyond the cultural fad dying out: what happens when a product built to last for a decade reaches all the people who want one? You can add monthly services, additional products like treadmills, and add-ons like water bottles and modded seats, but the fact is the thing is not going to break. There’s no incentive to upgrade a bike or a treadmill. You just use one until it breaks. And unlike treadmills — of which I’m on my fourth of my lifetime — bikes don’t break.

    (It’s an issue we face where I work: If you build a medical chair that lasts 30 years — and look at one the next time you’re at a medical specialist and consider that it might be from the 1980s — what do you do? We started gathering data from patients as they sit on that chair and sell it to the medical industry. I wonder if Peloton’s next step is using the data from those bikes and selling it to the medical/fitness industry or researchers.)
     
  7. justgladtobehere

    justgladtobehere Well-Known Member

    Wasn't Peleton's business based on the subscription model, though? Its problem would be if people stopped handing money over every month.
     
  8. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Jeremy Grantham sighting.

    Jeremy Grantham Doubles Down on Crash Call, Says Selloff Has Started

    And for good measure:

    When the easy money music stops playing

    Morgan Stanley warns that stocks are more overvalued than during the dot-com bubble — and says they'll likely fall as much as 20% in the first half of the year as the Fed speeds up its pace of tightening

    What gets me is that a lot of people (not Jeremy Grantham, though, who has gotten ridiculed for pointing out that the emperor has no clothes) who are going to come out of the woodwork if the Fed actually follows through on its trial balloon of tightening and things get ugly, could have really been saying this at any time since QE1 in March 2009. But most didn't have the courage, plus, it was just easier to steer clients into the sea of artificial liquidity and cheer it on rather than taking a long view of how reckless things have been.
     
  9. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    It's both.

    They sell the bike and they sell the subscription.

    As Hermes said, they've sold most of the bikes they're likely to sell by now. So the stock price slides to reflect that.
     
  10. justgladtobehere

    justgladtobehere Well-Known Member

    But it was not going to sell bikes ad infinitum. The problem wasn't building bikes that last too long, it was a shorter term mistake in projecting growth in sales.
     
  11. Hermes

    Hermes Well-Known Member

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  12. Hermes

    Hermes Well-Known Member

    I don’t think building bikes that are too good is the main problem with their business. I was just pointing out that it’s an inevitable problem with a business like that. You just need to have a plan (and investors needed to price that into their consideration when buying it) once the hardware is bought.

    Every time I build a $10,000 medical chair with heated leather upholstery, I understand that that hospital or mini clinic isn’t going to need another for a long time and that the growth of healthcare will subside when the Boomers die. So I have to understand my job is probably not safe in the long term.

    Like Peloton buyers who think they’re gonna become ripped on their Peloton, investors and Peloton’s people overestimated what they would actually do.
     
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