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The NYT and The Athletic

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by Alma, Jun 17, 2022.

  1. tapintoamerica

    tapintoamerica Well-Known Member

    They whacked the guy covering the Bengals? Because of insufficient reader interest? In one of the more compelling teams in the almighty NFL?
    Seems odd on its face.
    But corporate greed is undefeated.
     
  2. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    The Athletic loses money. It has always lost money.
     
  3. wheels89

    wheels89 Active Member

    They had two people covering the Bengals. Now one.
     
  4. tapintoamerica

    tapintoamerica Well-Known Member

    Ah. Thanks.
     
  5. MeanGreenATO

    MeanGreenATO Well-Known Member

    The issue is how much money The Athletic was losing. Before the NYT merger, they lost $55 million in 2021. That dropped to around $36 million after the merger.

    The money generated by The Athletic, whether through the NYT bundles or other avenues, has to take a big leap in order for the next round of layoffs to be minimal.
     
  6. JimmyHoward33

    JimmyHoward33 Well-Known Member

    Weird I keep reading on Twitter that they make money and this is all greed.
     
  7. wicked

    wicked Well-Known Member

    The Athletic was doing so much better under Trump. Biden's monetary policy is why The Athletic is tanking.

    /s
     
  8. Shelbyville Manhattan

    Shelbyville Manhattan Well-Known Member

    Nick Groke, Rockies writer, is also out at The Athletic.

     
  9. BitterYoungMatador2

    BitterYoungMatador2 Well-Known Member

    The Athletic is basically an app version of The National at this point.
     
  10. BYH 2: Electric Boogaloo

    BYH 2: Electric Boogaloo Well-Known Member

    That's giving The Athletic way more credit than it deserves. Or has ever deserved.
     
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  11. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    It's a totally different environment. Before the NYT bought it, they were in a low-interest rate environment that had venture capital flowing for more than a decade, so the founders of the company were able to raise a ton of money very easily (I'd say way too easily).

    They were losing money, but they could rationalize it as, "We are building something and creating growth." Their ability to raise money was running out around the time they finally sold themselves. I think they sold at the very, very end of their window of opportunity to do it (so good on the founders for getting out). Things that have lived on venture capital and borrowed money, losing that money, but still fetching sky-high valuations. ... that just isn't happening now. The party ended. I think the Athletic is probably more viable (and much smaller in scope), but compare its fate to Buzzfeed recently, for example. If the NYT hadn't bought it. ... it would very likely be facing bankruptcy. Instead, the NYT gives it a lifeline, because of its ability to sustain some losses and supplement it (perhaps because they don't want to admit a mistake).

    Regardless, just before the party effectively ended. ... the NYT paid a lot of money for the Athletic, and thought it had a strategy for integrating it into a bundle of other things it offers to make it accretive to the bottom line.

    It's a completely different environment and situation now. It isn't in fantasyland anymore, living off millions of dollars of venture capital money (with the prospect of being able to even raise more) while losing money. That money without regard to value doesn't exist now. It's now owned by someone who feels pain if it sustains endless losses.
     
    Last edited: Jun 13, 2023
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  12. wicked

    wicked Well-Known Member

    Love some of the people working at The Athletic, but name one hire that’s in a stratosphere approaching c. 1990 Deford.
     
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