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The NYT and The Athletic

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by Alma, Jun 17, 2022.

  1. playthrough

    playthrough Moderator Staff Member

    I don't know if this is a doomsday thing. The Times is trying to protect its subscriber count, which it sells to advertisers, and for every $9.99 discounted rate there are still tons of people who auto-renew at full freight. So perhaps a certain number of the basement rates are built into the financials, and more importantly the customer is still in the count.
     
  2. MTM

    MTM Well-Known Member

    That is my thought. How much does it cost to keep me as a customer? Is it better to get $10 or $20 from me than nothing? At least they can still count me.
     
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  3. BYH 2: Electric Boogaloo

    BYH 2: Electric Boogaloo Well-Known Member

    It's not even the most desperate attempt to boost the circ numbers. I'm getting Newsday online for 25 cents. FOR SIX MONTHS.
     
  4. MeanGreenATO

    MeanGreenATO Well-Known Member

    But in an era where ad sales aren't what they used to be, is it really all that beneficial to keep a subscriber if takes an 86% price drop to prevent churn? Like, what other business operates that way?
     
  5. Jesus_Muscatel

    Jesus_Muscatel Well-Known Member

    Ralph's good people. Hard worker. Helpful. Got me a vote for the AP Top 25 football poll several times.
     
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  6. LanceyHoward

    LanceyHoward Well-Known Member

    I think the marginal cost of a company adding an electronic subscriber is close to zero. And the subscriber does ad to advertising rate base.

    I think the trend in publishing is to keep cutting prices on subscriptions. With the exception of a a few publications with really strong brands like the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal publishers are not able to generate many subscriptions at full price so they must discount.

    What I think this means for the industry is that very few newspapers will be able to generate enough revenues to survive and the losers will roll up into a larger electronic paper. I think if the New York Times or the Washington Post was so inclined they could drive most of the papers in the country out of business. It would involve adding staff in major markets like Dallas. Chicago and directly competing with the ;local papers.

    To use Denver as an example I have read there are only about 30 editorial staffers left in Denver. If the Times or the Washington Post went in and duplicated that local staffing along with everything else those papers offer from their national editions would the Denver paper have the chance. I don't think so.

    But I don't think the Times thinks that way or Bezos wants to spend the money to take over the world. Gannett is trying to do this with USA Today but they are loaded with debt, and more importantly, inept.
     
  7. Cosmo

    Cosmo Well-Known Member

    Really jonesing for that Stony Brook coverage, huh?
     
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