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The Pirate Speaks: Leach thread v2.0

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by mb, Dec 30, 2009.

  1. Jim_Carty

    Jim_Carty Member

    If screaming was all James had done, he'd still be coaching Texas Tech. And we all know it.
     
  2. Smash Williams

    Smash Williams Well-Known Member

    Tech canned Leach because they'd been looking for reasons to get rid of him since the previous contract negotiations and likely before that. His refusal to sign a letter of apology and his public response to the ensuing suspension were what got him fired, not his treatment of a player.
     
  3. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Agree with the stuff you have said on this thread, but that West Texas school was looking to can the coach because of a contentious contract negotiation last year that left them with a coach the AD didn't respect (despite his success) and thought was overpaid. They thought Leach could be replaced by someone who can get similar results at a fraction of the cost. You need that context to explain why he was fired -- it wasn't his behavior. It was that Texas Tech was waiting for any excuse and he gave them one.

    For Leach's part, he handed a loaded gun to someone he knew was trying to kill him. Him being an asshole to the kid--whether the kid and his dad are pains in the asses or not--is secondary.

    What you said earlier remains true. Many a football coach has been a flaming asshole since the beginning of time. The difference today is that more people are watching, and the near-dictatorial powers that allow them to do just about anything unchallenged, don't exist to the extent they used to.
     
  4. Machine Head

    Machine Head Well-Known Member

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    The same type of medical breakthough as:

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    One day the true genius of Mike Leach will be recognized.

    Someone said a few posts back the kid had been cleared to practice. Did I miss that? Is that true?
     
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  5. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    Oct. 15, 2008

    LUBBOCK, Texas - The numbers are in and Texas Tech Football student-athletes are earning degrees. In the latest Graduation Success Rates released by the NCAA, Texas Tech graduated 79 percent of its football players that entered the program out of high school or transferred in between 1998 and 2001 and graduated within six years.

    "Academics are top priority at Texas Tech and we can't stress enough the importance of getting the work done in the classroom," Texas Tech Head Coach Mike Leach said. "Our players do an excellent job of balancing the classroom with football and are committed to working toward and receiving their degrees. Our academics support staff here does a great job of preparing our players for the classroom."

    Tech's 79 percent rate ranks the program first in the Big 12 Conference,
    one percentage point ahead of Nebraska and Baylor. Other Big 12 programs rank as follows: Colorado (75%), Kansas State (67%), Oklahoma State (62%), Missouri (59%), Texas A&M (56%), Iowa State (55%), Kansas (53%), Texas (50%) and Oklahoma (46%). Texas Tech has consistently posted one of the top graduation rates in the country, ranking among the American Football Coaches Association's top 30 each of the last eight years.
     
  6. Jim_Carty

    Jim_Carty Member

    Ragu, it's clear there was no love lost here on both sides. But if they REALLY wanted to fire him, they wouldn't have given him the chance to apologize. Why did they do that? Because they recognized that what he'd done was at least wrong, and possibly actionable, and an apology was the easiest way to patch things up. James would have calmed down and the school would have been able to gain a little more control over Leach.

    The problem with saying this was a trumped up reason to fire him was: A) He essentially fired himself by not apologizing and going to court; and B) They could have just not re-signed him during the contract negotiations.
     
  7. Jim_Carty

    Jim_Carty Member

    Dallas Morning News said he was not cleared to practice:

    http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/colleges/topstories/stories/122909dnspocarlton.3e43cd9.html
     
  8. Smash Williams

    Smash Williams Well-Known Member

    They offered him the chance to apologize because they knew he wouldn't, and it helps their PR cause immensely to say "We gave him every chance to make this right, and gosh darn it, he just wouldn't do it."

    They didn't let him walk during the contract negotiations for a similar reason. It would have been a huge PR hit.
     
  9. Smash Williams

    Smash Williams Well-Known Member

    I think Machine Head is misinterperting what was stated in the thread.

    The contention that is apparently made in the NYTimes is that James was cleared to walk around the field during practice, not take part in practice itself. He refused to walk around the field during practice and was thus sent to wherever it was.
     
  10. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Jim, They asked him to cut off his nuts (write a letter of apology, effectively seeding his authority over the program to the AD who hates his guts. ... and not coach in a bowl game) and told him he could keep his job if he did it. Be real.

    They knew there was no way he would do that. They played it that way to try to cover their own asses--from both PR and legal standpoints. The ONLY reason they did it that way rather than canning him immediately was that they knew he would tell them to fuck themselves and then they could use their insincere efforts at working it out for what they thought would be a PR advantage (the boosters are NOT happy about a guy who put their small football program on the map being fired) and perhaps for some legal advantage in the lawyer-fueled shitstorm that is now coming.
     
  11. Jim_Carty

    Jim_Carty Member

    LOL, seriously, if you boss wants you to apologize - and you don't - do you really have any cause to complain? Regardless of what your job is?

    And Ragu, I'm sure that's how Leach looks at it. Me? I'd call it institutional control, i.e. reminding Leach that he's not bigger than the institution. Either way, the fact remains, if he'd apologized, he'd have a job.
     
  12. Moderator1

    Moderator1 Moderator Staff Member

    One of the eight million commentators I've heard today had a decent point.
    This was not about James. At all. This was about bitterness over the contract negotiations.

    "There's a lesson here. When someone is trying to shoot you, don't give them the gun."
     
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