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The Ray Rice Elevator Video

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by YankeeFan, Sep 8, 2014.

  1. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Forget it, he's rolling.
     
  2. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    From the original story posted Feb. 19:

    There really was NOTHING NEW on the second video that had not been acknowledged previously.
     
  3. Steak Snabler

    Steak Snabler Well-Known Member


    Bowie Kuhn was a worse commissioner than Vincent.
     
  4. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    I agree completely. I'm not trying to argue that the video release justified a longer penalty when one wasn't merited before the video release.

    I'm arguing that the justification for a longer penalty than usual, period, whenever it was levied, was that Rice knocked her unconscious. And that's a different animal than garden variety pushing, shoving, and even slapping or punching around.
     
  5. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    There was immediately a video of him dragging a woman unconscious from an elevator. That made it different. The league figured it could stall, go for plausible deniability about what it knew, and it would be like every other (insert one of dozens) bad incident involving a player that stays a headline for a day and then disappears. They miscalculated. The video made it more real for people (the visceral reaction you mentioned), and just as it was maybe going away TMZ made the other video public.

    Rice was different because of the video. He didn't do anything different than a lot of guys who didn't pay the same price. But I don't think too many reasonable people are going to shed tears for him having to pay a bigger price, because at the end of the day, he still punched a woman in the face and spit on her.
     
  6. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    Bill Simmons should resign.
     
  7. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    From the sounds of things Greg Hardy's actions would have made
    the actions of the CIA Muslim interrogators seem mild.

    To me his actions seem on par with Rice's TKO.

    No way that Hardy should be playing. He's now the poster child of
    Goodell's inconsistencies when it comes to discipline.
     
  8. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    The domestic violence issue is a fascinating one to me now, especially the mentality of it. I've seen a lot of assigning of textbook domestic abuse elements to Rice, Palmer-Rice, and their relationship in general. Not just here, either. My friend's wife is a public interest lawyer serving exclusively domestic violence victims. Her Facebook threads on this have been interesting reading, with Ray Rice as the stand-in for EveryAbuser. Sample from when Janay Rice put out her rant this week: "I suspect that he wrote that, then stood over her and forced her to post it."

    My possibly politically incorrect read:

    I wonder how often two people who have been part of each other's lives this long, and have this volatile of a relationship, no longer even think of what Rice did as abuse or assault of a vulnerable person, but rather an altercation between equals. This is the menality, of course, that used to lead to the police approach of, "It's a family issue, not a police issue."

    It's an anger issue, perhaps, as much as it is a textbook abuser-victim dynamic.

    I don't know that I'm making sense. Basically, I don't know that Janay Palmer-Rice and Ray Rice are the equivalent of the trailer trash couple where the man comes home drunk and beats on his wife and kids. I think they probably get into fights, and sometimes those fights get physical, because sometimes fights get physical. (Of course, this is no excuse. At all. The end result is the same.)
     
  9. 3_Octave_Fart

    3_Octave_Fart Well-Known Member

    Two people who aren't very intelligent, one of whom might have problems managing alcohol and the other managing anger.
     
  10. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    I don't know that they aren't intelligent, but the rest of that sentence nicely seems to sum up the dynamic emerging.
     
  11. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

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    Janay has that Aretha Frankin look going from The Blues Brothers.
     
  12. 3_Octave_Fart

    3_Octave_Fart Well-Known Member

    Her public statements have been sad with a whiff of stupidity.
    "This is our life." Yes, and that's part of the problem here.
     
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