The Ray Rice Elevator Video

Boom_70 · Sep 12, 2014

3_Octave_Fart said:

Her public statements have been sad if not filled with stupidity.
"This is our life." Yes, and that's part of the problem here.
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"She has a 4 year college degree" / Double Down

Double Down · Sep 12, 2014

I would disagree that the second video showed nothing new. For me, the coldness he displays after the punch was the most horrifying thing. If he argument was, previously, that he lost his temper for one split second and he immediately regretted his actions, the video showed that was a lie. There was no bending over to see if she was seriously hurt, no concern or fear he'd just badly hurt someone he loved. He just stood there like he was annoyed, then literally used his foot to move her limp body like she was a piece of furniture. There is zero chance, in my mind, that this was the first time he struck a woman. I mean, for fuck's sake, a casino employee had to come over and stand in the elevator to prevent doors from closing on her head.

RecoveringJournalist · Sep 12, 2014

Double Down said:

I would disagree that the second video showed nothing new. For me, the coldness he displays after the punch was the most horrifying thing. If he argument was, previously, that he lost his temper for one split second and he immediately regretted his actions, the video showed that was a lie. There was no bending over to see if she was seriously hurt, no concern or fear he'd just badly hurt someone he loved. He just stood there like he was annoyed, then literally used his foot to move her limp body like she was a piece of furniture. There is zero chance, in my mind, that this was the first time he struck a woman. I mean, for fuck's sake, a casino employee had to come over and stand in the elevator to prevent doors from closing on her head.
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I agree with every word. To me, Rice's indifference to his fiancee lying motionless on the ground after he hit her was the most disturbing aspect of the video, even worse than the punch.

That's the biggest reason no matter how many times you heard about what happened, you had to see the video to realize just how disturbing this was.

No way was this an isolated incident.

cranberry · Sep 12, 2014

Anybody genuinely surprised that the owners circled the wagons and Roger is keeping his job?

3_Octave_Fart · Sep 12, 2014

http://www.motherjones.com/media/2014/09/ray-janay-rice-football-nfl-wives

Good read here on the culture of NFL wifery.
As told to Mother Jones by the wife of ex-Raiders center Adam Treu.
Don't embarrass the player and don't create waves.

Boom_70 · Sep 12, 2014

cranberry said:

Anybody genuinely surprised that the owners circled the wagons and Roger is keeping his job?
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I think the timing has something to do with it. If it was the off season the owners
might be more apt to gas Goodell. In season they don't want to have to deal
with a new commissioner search.

It they do end up dumping him though it would not surprise me if they brought
back Paul Tagliabue as interim.

YankeeFan · Sep 12, 2014

Dick Whitman said:

The domestic violence issue is a fascinating one to me now, especially the mentality of it. I've seen a lot of assigning of textbook domestic abuse elements to Rice, Palmer-Rice, and their relationship in general. Not just here, either. My friend's wife is a public interest lawyer serving exclusively domestic violence victims. Her Facebook threads on this have been interesting reading, with Ray Rice as the stand-in for EveryAbuser. Sample from when Janay Rice put out her rant this week: "I suspect that he wrote that, then stood over her and forced her to post it."

My possibly politically incorrect read:

I wonder how often two people who have been part of each other's lives this long, and have this volatile of a relationship, no longer even think of what Rice did as abuse or assault of a vulnerable person, but rather an altercation between equals. This is the menality, of course, that used to lead to the police approach of, "It's a family issue, not a police issue."

It's an anger issue, perhaps, as much as it is a textbook abuser-victim dynamic.

I don't know that I'm making sense. Basically, I don't know that Janay Palmer-Rice and Ray Rice are the equivalent of the trailer trash couple where the man comes home drunk and beats on his wife and kids. I think they probably get into fights, and sometimes those fights get physical, because sometimes fights get physical. (Of course, this is no excuse. At all. The end result is the same.)
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Goodell should be smart enough to understand these issues. He should have known that Jenay would blame herself, and want to protect Ray.

Instead, he has her in the meeting, and is lenient in his punishment because she blames herself.

National Football League commissioner Roger Goodell didn't pursue the Ray Rice domestic-violence incident as vigorously as he might have out of respect for Rice's now-wife, Janay, according to one NFL owner.

In conversations about the Rice case over the summer, the owner said, Goodell privately told other owners that during his investigation, in a meeting with the Rices in June, Janay Rice said she had struck her then-fiancée and that she believed she was partly at fault for the incident. Goodell also said he left the meeting believing that Janay Rice had become unconscious because she had fallen during the scuffle.

After Goodell suspended Rice for two games in July, this person said, Goodell told several NFL owners that he felt it would have been insensitive to question Janay Rice's story because it would have come across as an indictment of her character. Two people familiar with the commissioner's thinking, including the owner, said they believe the thoroughness of the investigation, and Goodell's decision to suspend Rice for two games, both reflected Goodell's discomfort with challenging Janay Rice's story.

on.wSportsJournalists.com/1whDPUV
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Boom_70 · Sep 12, 2014

3_Octave_Fart said:

http://www.motherjones.com/media/2014/09/ray-janay-rice-football-nfl-wives

Good read here on the culture of NFL wifery.
As told to Mother Jones by the wife of ex-Raiders center Adam Treu.
Don't embarrass the player and don't create waves.
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Seems a bit like how top brass military wives are expected to act also.
Don't embarrass The General.

Baron Scicluna · Sep 12, 2014

Steak Snabler said:

YankeeFan said:

BitterYoungMatador2 said:

Fay Vincent wasn't fired because he was dumb. Fay Vincent was fired because he was a threat to the status quo.
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Forget it, he's rolling.
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Bowie Kuhn was a worse commissioner than Vincent.
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Spike Eckert laughs

BitterYoungMatador2 · Sep 12, 2014

Morris816 said:

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/09/ray-rice-fans

All I can do is shake my head in disbelief.
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Further proof that there is no more dumber and brainwashed group of people than the American football fan, college or pro. It's this country's biggest religion and we will go to great lengths to donate to it as well as protect our beliefs in this religion and its personnel.

YankeeFan · Sep 12, 2014

cranberry said:

Anybody genuinely surprised that the owners circled the wagons and Roger is keeping his job?
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No. But, I honestly don't think these people realize how stupid they look.

When you say you fully support the investigation, and that you fully support the commissioner, you look and sound like an idiot.

I wonder if folks like the McCaskeys, who are sperm lottery winners, will handle this worse than owners who have made their money in other businesses. The McCaskeys Maras, Rooneys have only ever worked in the insulated world of the NFL.

Boom_70 · Sep 12, 2014

YankeeFan said:

Dick Whitman said:

The domestic violence issue is a fascinating one to me now, especially the mentality of it. I've seen a lot of assigning of textbook domestic abuse elements to Rice, Palmer-Rice, and their relationship in general. Not just here, either. My friend's wife is a public interest lawyer serving exclusively domestic violence victims. Her Facebook threads on this have been interesting reading, with Ray Rice as the stand-in for EveryAbuser. Sample from when Janay Rice put out her rant this week: "I suspect that he wrote that, then stood over her and forced her to post it."

My possibly politically incorrect read:

I wonder how often two people who have been part of each other's lives this long, and have this volatile of a relationship, no longer even think of what Rice did as abuse or assault of a vulnerable person, but rather an altercation between equals. This is the menality, of course, that used to lead to the police approach of, "It's a family issue, not a police issue."

It's an anger issue, perhaps, as much as it is a textbook abuser-victim dynamic.

I don't know that I'm making sense. Basically, I don't know that Janay Palmer-Rice and Ray Rice are the equivalent of the trailer trash couple where the man comes home drunk and beats on his wife and kids. I think they probably get into fights, and sometimes those fights get physical, because sometimes fights get physical. (Of course, this is no excuse. At all. The end result is the same.)
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Goodell should be smart enough to understand these issues. He should have known that Jenay would blame herself, and want to protect Ray.

Instead, he has her in the meeting, and is lenient in his punishment because she blames herself.

National Football League commissioner Roger Goodell didn't pursue the Ray Rice domestic-violence incident as vigorously as he might have out of respect for Rice's now-wife, Janay, according to one NFL owner.

In conversations about the Rice case over the summer, the owner said, Goodell privately told other owners that during his investigation, in a meeting with the Rices in June, Janay Rice said she had struck her then-fiancée and that she believed she was partly at fault for the incident. Goodell also said he left the meeting believing that Janay Rice had become unconscious because she had fallen during the scuffle.

After Goodell suspended Rice for two games in July, this person said, Goodell told several NFL owners that he felt it would have been insensitive to question Janay Rice's story because it would have come across as an indictment of her character. Two people familiar with the commissioner's thinking, including the owner, said they believe the thoroughness of the investigation, and Goodell's decision to suspend Rice for two games, both reflected Goodell's discomfort with challenging Janay Rice's story.

on.wSportsJournalists.com/1whDPUV
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It was the Westchester connection that caused Goodell to go lenient. When they
met they probably talked about how they went to Walters for hot dogs in the summer.

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