The Ray Rice Elevator Video

Definitely. That is just so chilling the way he just flopped her around like a rag doll. Shit, she could have been dead for all he knew. He didn't seem to care a bit.

And Xan, I was really going to defend you because I thought you were just curious what led up to it. But it seems that the more you write, the more you are looking for a reason to justify his reaction. As has been said, no matter what a bitch she was being, she didn't deserve anything close to that.

 

Xan, I'm sorry you didn't like watching your mom be mean to your father. It must have been difficult. But this thread isn't a good place to work through those issues.

 

I think Xan is being inartful, but I think what he might be trying to get at is that to stop domestic violence, we have to go after the root causes - why do couples fight so ferociously that it ends where this ended?

I suppose that it's similar to when some of us argue that the best way to battle, say, inner-city crime is to improve education.

 

Yes, that's exactly what I'm doing. I'm trying to justify Ray punching Janay in the face.

We'll never be anything but a reactionary society.

 

This will never, ever be answered. Human emotions. The only solution is for people to split up if it gets to that point. But again, emotions. It's rarely that simple to just walk away.

 

Xan, I've respected you as a poster here for a long time, but I just think you are way, way off in your comments on this thread.

There was nothing blue-font or cute about what I was saying.

Nothing James Brown said even remotely suggested we examine the root causes of domestic violence in the way you are suggesting. James Brown said we need to examine the attitudes of men toward women in this country, not that we need know what Janay Rice may or may not have been doing leading up to the moment she got knocked the f**k out.

I agree with Brown wholeheartedly.

I think you're way off base and any suggestion that we need to know further what Janay Rice may have done before the couple appeared on camera that may "absolve Ray Rice for losing his temper," are a wrongheaded way of redirecting blame away from the abuser and onto the victim.

I'm not sure if I've told this story on the board before, but I was on the wrong end of a physically abusive relationship for far too long. I was punched, kicked and had objects thrown off my head. Yet, I never raised a hand back at the woman who was doing it to me.

The "roots" of domestic violence are not in the actions of the victim in the moments before violence occurs. There are no "elements of provocation" that may have happened off camera to precipitate the violence and "absolve" the abuser for his or her anger. The roots of domestic violence are in the psyche of the abusers, many of whom have been abused themselves.

 

Meanwhile, Panthers confirm Hardy will start Sunday. Outside the Lines had a pretty good report on his crimes, which he was convicted of already. Baffling that the Panthers haven's learned anything.

 

Wins before Women. The NFL, shut up bitch.

 

I commend you for not raising your hand against the woman in light of her abuse against you, bigpern.

But the human species, while it has evolved and built super-duper parachutes that allow interstellar rovers to float onto Mars, still remains pretty animalistic when it comes to emotions. Anger and rage boils the blood, and adrenaline is a helluva drug. That's an awful combination for man or woman. And then you throw in the heart and 2 bottles of hard liquor and you've got a fine mess to deal with sometimes.

 

More bullshit exposed: In New Jersey, less than one percent of those charged in domestic incidents get the kind of pre-trial deal Rice got, according to data obtained by ESPN's OTL.

http://m.espn.go.com/general/story?storyId=11514871&src=desktop&rand=ref~%7B%22ref%22%3A%22https%3A%2F%2Fm.facebook.com%22%7D

 

The Vikings have deactivated Peterson when he's been charged, not tried or convicted yet. I agree completely with that. But how in the hell is Hardy playing as a convicted woman-abuser? You think the Panthers would at least note the climate right now and do the right thing.

 

Yep, and I said the same thing about McDonald, though he hasn't officially been charged, I guess. Difference being that Peterson has admitted to what he did, I suppose.