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The Simmons Site

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by Moderator1, Apr 28, 2011.

  1. Den1983

    Den1983 Active Member

    The site has underwhelmed. But it's still early. Still, I would say I'm not entirely optimistic of its potential. I feel most of the talent has been used wrongly thus far.

    And, yes, unfortunately Simmons is the most popular sportswriter right now. It's more a statement of our society than it is of him.
     
  2. Illino

    Illino Member

    http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6746478/undervalued-sluggers

    With this...I like the topic, but two things about the actual article bothered me.

    1) I know it hasn't been Grantland's thing to quote people too much (at least in what I have read), but it would have been nice to have heard from Bob Melvin or someone else high up with the Brewers about their team's make-up.

    2) If the end point was that the 1982 Brewers were built in a similar fashion, why did there need to be so much lead-up about Tampa Bay and the 1991 Braves? I think it's good that the contrast was mentioned (and because the article also focused on how this different approach may work), but I think the lead-in ended up putting this article in the batch of, "This was too long" pieces.
     
  3. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    I think it is a very positive comment on Grantland and by extension Simmons' editorial leadership that there is so much actual discussion on this thread about the quality of the journalism presented there. Praise or rips, when's the last time that happened.
    I reiterate my oft-stated opinion that while I think Simmons' writing sucks, as a big idea guy, he's terrific. If I had a couple of billion bucks to throw around, he could be my surrogate mass media mogul any day.
     
  4. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I would have figured Peter King is more read than Bill Simmons, but I am not sure.

    And this has nothing to do with who is the best sportswriter out there. It's a testimony to the power of the Internet and the brands those guys have built for themselves on the Internet.

    This is something I found on Poynter:

    http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/making-sense-of-news/105448/sports-illustrateds-peter-king-shows-you-can-teach-old-dogs-new-tweets-2/

    It says, King has 2.5 million readers a week during football season and 1.5 million during the offseason (according to an SI spokesperson).

    I can't find any numbers for Simmons. Does he really get that many readers a week (assuming the King numbers are accurate)?
     
  5. typefitter

    typefitter Well-Known Member

    We haven't been given the clicks for our stories—I haven't, anyway—but I know in the first week, Grantland was getting 1.8 million hits a day. My guess, and it's just a guess, is that the large majority of those hits are for Simmons and Klosterman. They are hugely popular writers.
     
  6. Versatile

    Versatile Active Member

    Grantland fact: No one can match this level of intelligent essay writing: http://joeposnanski.si.com/2011/07/07/3000-words-about-derek-jeter/
     
  7. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    Well done. Really defines the complexity in getting 3000 hits and Jeter's place in baseball.

    That is the type of story that Grantland needs more of if they want to retain my interest.
     
  8. JackReacher

    JackReacher Well-Known Member

    I need to read 3,000 words on Jeter the way I need to read a Reality Fantasy League story.
     
  9. Mizzougrad96

    Mizzougrad96 Active Member

    I remember reading somewhere (probably Poynter) that MMQB is the most read story on SI.com every week and that it gets more hits than stories No. 2 through No. 10 combined.

    I'll bet Simmons' columns on ESPN.com cleared 2.5 million.
     
  10. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Does it kill you to not know your numbers?
     
  11. Mizzougrad96

    Mizzougrad96 Active Member

    I'm surprised they don't know their numbers. We knew our numbers every day, which was just as demoralizing. "Oh, so a photo album of people at the state fair got 500,000 more clicks than a NFL game that we sent four writers and two photogs to?"
     
  12. Ben_Hecht

    Ben_Hecht Active Member

    I'd rather know 'em than not.

    Walking around ignorant is seldom the preferred state of affairs.
     
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