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Thoughts and Prayers: The Religion Thread

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Slacker, Oct 15, 2019.

  1. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I'm not an atheist. So take this for what its worth. But I'd imagine an atheist would say something like, "I reject any worship or belief of a controlling power or god of any sort." Logically, you don't need to know every religion that exists to say something like that.
     
  2. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    Well, you kinda do - or at least a hell of a lot them - to know whether you actually reject them.

    Otherwise, what's the point of atheism, if you can't reject a full spectrum of gods?
     
  3. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I am not following you. I am saying someone could reject any belief in a superpower or god without knowing every single variation of religion that people worship in every corner of the world. You simply reject the whole concept of superpowers and the religions based on them, out of hand.
     
  4. Oggiedoggie

    Oggiedoggie Well-Known Member

    Study ethics.
     
  5. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    Yeah, which, if you're not actively looking for evidence to prove that position, can render you a proverbial flat-earth "I know it's false because I feel it's false" style thinker.

    I think atheist can be profound, in a sense, but it is rarely that.

    I think some boring atheists land where they do for moral purposes - i.e. religion sucks, and it hurts people. In that case, it'd be doubly important to know most of the religions to see if, in fact, that's true of the majority of them, or all of them. But the scholarship is fleeting there, too.
     
  6. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    Nice try. How'd they come about? I mean, you must have an answer to that. They didn't come out of the ethics cauldron of the universe.

    Did they derive from evolution? The survival of our species, that kind of thing?
     
  7. Regan MacNeil

    Regan MacNeil Well-Known Member

    Ah, the rare appearance of Epistemological Alma.
     
  8. Alma

    Alma Well-Known Member

    You’re...maybe a church goer? Yes? So you must find the standard atheism sort of ridiculous, I’d think.
     
  9. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    You are projecting a lot of yourself into other people's motivations.

    I can just speak for myself. I don't believe in religion, because I see a bunch of fairy tales that defy anything that can be empirically qualified. That is the way I live my life.

    I am also not an atheist, because I know I am here and I don't know what explains it all. Let's say some vengeful god really does explain the unexplained. Maybe it's best not to be sitting here pissing him, her or whatever off by saying, "No way it exists." But that is as far as I'll take it. On the flip side, I certainly am not going to profess belief in something I have no evidence of and even if I had that kind of instinct, why would I choose one fairy tale explanation over any of the others?
     
  10. Regan MacNeil

    Regan MacNeil Well-Known Member

    I am a churchgoer. I'm a member, sit on one of the committees and am a volunteer with our weekly children's service.

    But it's not for me to say anyone else's beliefs (or non-beliefs) are ridiculous. If someone's atheism or agnosticism works for him or her, that's great.
     
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  11. justgladtobehere

    justgladtobehere Well-Known Member

    Thought experiment:
    It's 900 years later. Humans have spread out to corner of earth, mined the shit out of it and have the technology to map out the layers of the earth. Never found a dinosaur bone. Mankind has developed jet engines, lightweight alloys, and understands fluid dynamics. Cannot fucking fly.

    Do you give either of those fools from 900 years ago any thought?
     
  12. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Sure, same way that sometime in the future, I don't think I want anyone thinking about the life I lived, and the experiences of my time, as me being a "fool" from the past.
     
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