Tony Dungy woudn't want to "deal with" Michael Sam

When anybody can marry anybody or as many anybodys as are willing to consent to it, then we have come equal rights for all.

Anything short of that or any arguments short of that are selectively deciding whom to deny something to.

Everybody ready to "deal with" that?

Well, the whole point of the Bible and those pesky things called commandments is that some forms of intolerance are, in fact, a divine directive: Intolerance of sin, of coveting, of stealing, of putting other Gods before this one, etc.

Now, if you want to mock the entire concept of such in that all of it deserves to be mocked, that's cool. But to say, "Well, intolerance of thieves and killers is OK, but I kind of enjoy coveting my neighbor's wife and I have a lot of gay friends, so I'll mock that" . . . just ain't gonna work.

 

Is this true Yankeefan? Do all right wingers not understand the first amendment?

 

Or, we could apply a modicum of critical thinking skill and scientific and social evidence and realize blanket solutions aren't the answer any more than the Bible is.

 

Yeah, but "social evidence" seems to mean "What me and my buddies think." The "social evidence" in Utah is quite different than the "social evidence" in San Francisco.

I mean, we've heard ad nauseum that denying certain groups certain things historically has been wrong and has been changed, albeit slowly. "Enlightenment" doesn't exactly travel at the speed of light, ya know.

So let's just end the inch-by-inch nonsense once and for all and just say it --- nobody can be denied anything. Yesterday's interracial marriage (gasp!) is today's gay marriage (gasp!) is tomorrow's polygamous marriage (gasp!).

 

I take that to mean you don't put any stock in any of the hundreds of public opinion polls taken on the subject, almost all of which have shown a steady increase in public opinion in favor of gay marriage and equal rights for LGBT people?

The polygamy comparison is laughable.

 

I support people's rights to marry (within reason, of course) whoever and however many of those whoevers they wish. None of my business who consenting adults decide to cohabitate with. Live and let live.

But since when do we organize our society around public opinion polls?

That doesn't make any more sense to me, just like people believing in "God" or a book of fantasy clearly makes no sense to you.

People's beliefs differ. I was under the impression that such behavior was encouraged in this country.

 

I put a lot of stock in it. As I said just a moment ago, it's an inch-by-inch acceptance, just as many other things that preceded it were.

It's no more laughable than comparing gay marriage rights to interracial marriage rights was a half-century ago.

Each was just, well, unthinkable at certain points in the nation's history. At least when I was growing up I had some notion of polygamy --- it was something that existed in other countries and at one time in a religion with a significant presence in the United States. The idea of Steve marrying Wilbur or Lisa marrying Stephanie . . . nowhere on my radar as a kid.

You're either OK with denying some people --- you know, those weirdos --- something or you're not. Regardless of where their weirdness on your spectrum falls.

 

Ah, the polygamy argument. The hiding place for those who don't want to allow gay marriage, but are afraid to say so.

 

Anybody should be allowed to marry anybody. Nobody is denied any marriage rights. None of it affects me or my marriage, so why should I have the power of voting to deny others?

No hiding.

 

I'm as "right wing" as it gets for the most part, and I would be the first to yell that the Dungy hubbub has NOTHING to do with the First Amendment. Repeat after me -- only the GOVERNMENT is capable of infringing on your "freedom of speech" rights. I haven't seen anyone from the guvmint trying to muzzle ol' Tone.

 

if St Tony had kept his ignorance to himself and no one else got stupid between now and and the 1st regular season game, his playing status would be a story but nothing earth shattering. Now, as Uncle Remus put his Christian bigotry on display, it becomes a distraction, if only to save NBC/NFL and their partners. Later, everyone will get to say how Dungy was right and oh so smart.

 

Allowing people to to marry as many others as they want and thus share in the legal benefits of marriage with all of them does have an impact on others.

Absolutely hiding. Not that I expect anybody to admit it.