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Songbird · Aug 13, 2016

She might pardon Peltier.

Baron Scicluna · Aug 13, 2016

BDC99 said: ↑

I will never understand the obsession with Benghazi. I get it from the YFs and o_ts of the world. But there are far bigger issues to spend our resources on.
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If Hillary wasn't running for president, it'd have been forgotten about by now. Just like the 13 other attacks which killed 60 during the Bush admininstration.

Baron Scicluna · Aug 13, 2016

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We've now gotten our answers about Benghazi through seven (seven!) Benghazi investigations.

Remind me, seriously, why you care so much about this (still) and yet to don't give one ounce of a shit about how poorly the Iraq invasion was handled. Why have you not been demanding an investigation into the fact that our intelligence was flat out wrong, that our vice president repeatedly said there was a connection between Al Queda and Hussein, even though this was false?

You can stress all you want that we DESERVE ANSWERS and the truth is, we've gotten them. Republicans who would like nothing more than anything in the world to nail Hillary Clinton cannot find a way to do it. Yet here we have ample evidence of Bush Administration officials making shit up, leading us into an endless conflict that cost thousands of lives and TRILLIONS of dollars, and you sad rebuttal is "Hilary voted for it too."

You don't care because you're a total partisan hack. If you really were the person you pretend to be in your fantasies, you'd be furious about what happened with Iraq. You'd want every possible investigation done to hold the people accountable the way you demand Hillary be held accountable. But 4,500 U.S. Service members and maybe 1 million Iraqis, to you, doesn't mean as much as four American deaths and seven Libyans. It's pathetic display of selective outrage, and the main reason why I refuse to give a fuck about the never-ending Benghazi tantrums.
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This.

Lugnuts · Aug 13, 2016

tapintoamerica said: ↑

Trump is the least qualified nominee of a major party in our history.
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Well there was the election of 1820, in which the Federalists couldn't come up with a nominee at all (they did come up with a guy for VP)....

Nah, you're right, Trump is the least qualified.

Baron Scicluna · Aug 13, 2016

Earthman said: ↑

Democrat Quotes on Iraq
Weapons of Mass Destruction

Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade and much of his nation's wealth not on providing for the Iraqi people but on developing nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them."
-- President Bill Clinton (State of the Union Address), Jan. 27, 1998
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"No one has done what Saddam Hussein has done, or is thinking of doing. He is producing weapons of mass destruction, and he is qualitatively and quantitatively different from other dictators.""Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"I mean, we have three different countries that, while they all present serious problems for the United States -- they're dictatorships, they're involved in the development and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction -- you know, the most imminent, clear and present threat to our country is not the same from those three countries. I think Iraq is the most serious and imminent threat to our country."
-- Sen. John Edwards (D, NC) Feb. 24, 2002

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power. We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." "
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed. We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Edward Kennedy (D, MA) Sep. 27, 2002

"Now let me be clear -- I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He's a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him."
-- State Senator Barack Obama (Democrat, Illinois) Oct. 2, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"My position is very clear: The time has come for decisive action to eliminate the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction."
-- Senator John Edwards (D, NC), Oct. 7, 2002

"We stopped the fighting [in 1991] on an agreement that Iraq would take steps to assure the world that it would not engage in further aggression and that it would destroy its weapons of mass destruction. It has refused to take those steps. That refusal constitutes a breach of the armistice which renders it void and justifies resumption of the armed conflict."
-- Sen. Harry Reid (D. NV) Oct. 9, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"I come to this debate, Mr. Speaker, as one at the end of 10 years in office on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, where stopping the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction was one of my top priorities. I applaud the President on focusing on this issue and on taking the lead to disarm Saddam Hussein. ... Others have talked about this threat that is posed by Saddam Hussein. Yes, he has chemical weapons, he has biological weapons, he is trying to get nuclear weapons." -- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D. CA) Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

"People can quarrel with whether we should have more troops in Afghanistan or internationalize Iraq or whatever, but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons."
-- Ex President Bill Clinton, Jul. 22, 2003
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All these quotes either were five years before the invasion, in which situations can change greatly during that time, or were based upon the falsified information that Bush gave them. Shame on them for believing the President of the United States.

Baron Scicluna · Aug 13, 2016

The Germans would never have attacked Pearl Harbor if it wasn't for Obama.

YankeeFan · Aug 13, 2016

tapintoamerica said: ↑

I dont think anybody should support Trump, who takes pride in his ignorance of our system of government; coddles racists; and displays the sort of irrationality that compels members of his own party to question his access to nuclear codes. Among other things.
There are no good choices here. But Trump is the least qualified nominee of a major party in our history.
His candidacy exposes the spineless nature of a set of people who call themselves "Values Voters." At one of their get togethers a couple of years ago, they had more seminars (1) on the War on Football than on the plight of the poor (0). What would Jesus do? Surely he'd spend more time advocating for a game than on helping the poor. Right?
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Your earlier post seemed to imply that evangelicals shouldn't compromise when it comes to supporting a presidential nominee.

I asked you about Bernie supporters, and got some nonsensical answer.

So, again, who should Bernie primary voters support in the general election?

cranberry · Aug 13, 2016

Lugnuts said: ↑

I think it's time to start talking about who will be her Secretary of State. CIA ? DoD ?

To what extent will her hawk-friends have a voice in her administration ?

Will infrastructure really be the big push of the first 100 days ?

Merrick Garland ?
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I wouldn't even be able to name someone I considered a "hawk" who would be considered for a cabinet level post. Michèle Flournoy seems like the front runner for defense, a lot of folks think Kerry will stay on as SOS. Thomas Perez as attorney general makes sense. Sheryl Sandberg for treasury maybe?She's been open about trying to have a cabinet that's 50 pct. female.

doctorquant · Aug 13, 2016

Riptide said: ↑

I got that from Quant, plus some vis-a-vis stuff.
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You missed an accent mark there ... It's vis-à-vis. Don't expect me to keep bailing you out of these disasters ...

Double Down · Aug 13, 2016

So ... if you count up the states where Clinton holds a 10 point lead (or more), it gives her 263 electoral votes.

2016 TPM Electoral Scoreboard

Lugnuts · Aug 13, 2016

cranberry said: ↑

I wouldn't even be able to name someone I considered a "hawk" who would be considered for a cabinet level post. Michèle Flournoy seems like the front runner for defense, a lot of folks think Kerry will stay on as SOS. Thomas Perez as attorney general makes sense. Sheryl Sandberg for treasury maybe?She's been open about trying to have a cabinet that's 50 pct. female.
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No disrespect to what Sandberg's accomplished... but I don't think that's a great idea.

Panetta and his friends, who are tight with HRC, have made some hawkish comments lately, particularly about Syria.

qtlaw · Aug 13, 2016

Those of you who call HRC a "hawk" apparently readily forget the true hawks like Wolfowitz, Cheney, Haig who got upset at the slightest hint and wanted to walk around the world making sure every toe'd the American line.

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