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Nah.

I think anyone with a brain new that Trump's position wee extreme because he was trying to establish an opening point in a negotiation.

Trump wants to fix problems. He open to working with people on the fix, but first you need to shake the other side off of their position.

But -- and I was busy last night, so I haven't seen/heard/read it all -- I don't think he did a good job with this "pivot".

I expect his messaging on it will continue to evolve. He'll give the speech originally planned for this week in Colorado, that will be much more coherent.

 

So then you support liberal policies - as long as they have a nativist and isolationist slant ...

 

Oh yeah four more years of syphllis and senility will really sharpen and focus his worldview. Dumpf at age 74 will be a dynamite candidate in 2020.

 

He's supporters did. It was a big component of his primary victory.

 

Yes and no.

When one side sees the other as taking an extreme position, the other side takes an equally extreme position in response.

(Not unlike the abortion issue.)

So, many of Trump's supporters see Dems as supporting open borders. They're enraged by sanctuary cities. They want folks like the guy who killed the girl in San Francisco to be jailed, and or deported permanently.

Currently, the border is a revolving door.

They also resent the Chamber of Commerce, and other "big business" Republicans who are against securing the border because they want the cheap labor.

And, like with other issues, they're willing to blow the whole thing up, and deport the valedictorian who was admitted to Harvard, if that's what it takes to get the other side's attention.

And, I think Trump knows you need to threaten this to get the other side to even come to the negotiating table.

What people have wanted was a secure border first. But, they've been promised this previously, and the promise was not delivered on, even while the reforms that came with the promise were implemented.

Trust has been lost on the issue.

Actually securing the border is the key to all of this, but a lot of people -- on both sides of the aisle -- truly do not want to do this.

 

I may be wrong, but haven't there been Republican presidents and Republican-majority House and/or Senate in the past 50 years?

What did the African-Americans gain?

 

You're giving way too much credit to the rank-and-file "deport 'em all and build that wall!" crowd.

 

No. Sorry. They were and are a bunch of rednecks who pleasured themselves over the idea of "getting tough" and sending all the illegals back to where they came from. This notion that he's just staking out negotiating positions so he can make "great deals!" is revisionist history that kicked in once he started getting challenged on the implausibility of his so-called initial policy positions.

 

Don't most "illegals" pay taxes now? In fact, they may be owed a refund because their employer may take out taxes but they may be afraid to file a return.

If an "illegal" is working for someone who isn't taking taxes out, they should throw those folks in jail before they start pulling fingernails from the immigrants.

 

Exactly (See what you did, YF? You are making me agree with Dickie!)

YF, the excuse that some of Trump's statements are meant as starting points for negotiation, not what he actually means, is utter bullshit. It is just a cover for the fact that he keeps taking unacceptable positions, a way to try to sell him to the undecideds and try to justify supporting him to yourself.

Even if it was true, it would still be a major negative against him. If we can't trust anything Trump statement to be his real position on the issue, we can't trust anything he says.