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Two Years On: Obamacare

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Zeke12, Mar 23, 2012.

  1. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    I agree with you there. Unfortunately, as I see it, you can't simultaneously call your dog a cat -- no, wait, insist that it's a cat -- while also insisting that it be treated as a dog.
     
  2. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    It is semantics. It is absolutely just semantics.
     
  3. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    The government no more mandates that I buy insurance than it mandates that I buy a Prius.
     
  4. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    It's the difference between me taking $5 out of your wallet and me knocking $5 off a debt you owe me.
     
  5. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Is there another "tax" in which the payment goes to a private company, instead of to the Government?
     
  6. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    That is not the tax. The tax is the penalty.

    So to answer your question, yes.

    Hybrid vehicles.
    Charitable contributions.
    Tuition.
    First-time home.
    Insulation.
     
  7. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    You might want to read the law that was passed. There is a mandate forcing everyone to buy health insurance, when it goes fully into effect.
     
  8. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    At state level yes but at federal level no.
     
  9. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    You mean like subsidies to farming and business?
     
  10. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    I don't care what it says. That's just politics. That's just to sell it to the public because you can't sell "tax." It would be on every Romney commercial from here to the election.

    I care what it does.

    What it does is offer a tax credit to people who purchase insurance. And you know it's a tax because it's pegged to income levels - and the government knows well and good that the only authorized federal tax, constitutionally, is an income tax.
     
  11. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    Subsidies are taxes.
    Inactivity is activity.
    Mandates aren't mandates, penalties aren't penalties.

    When you get to redefine words to mean whatever you want them to mean, no wonder these cases seem so obvious.
     
  12. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    You are too smart to think that's what's going on here.

    There is no practical difference between the "mandate" and a tax credit for buying a Prius or getting a masters degree. None.

    The government is the one changing words around.

    "This isn't a Christian cross posted on top of the White House. It's a ... lowercase 'T'!"

    Some of you would nod approvingly.
     
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