Ubaldo Jimenez Detained in AZ As Illegal

Vermont has gone nuclear and would like everyone to know that it does not want to hear any more maple syrup jokes.

 

Greece won't know which Darryl is holding the Vermont nuclear football.

 

When did the subject switch to the recently passed health care bill?

 

This was a state-of-the-art building with walls and a roof and possibly even indoor plumbing before Ethan Allen and the Green Mountain Boys got there and embarked upon an ass-kicking spree.

 

Yes.

Now police working a tough neighborhood can walk up to an asshole making trouble for people and demand to see their papers. Do it enough times and eventually you're kicking the people that are the problem out.

 

Because the only people making trouble are illegal immigrants?

You've still failed to address how you're going to make sure every, single legal citizen has a national ID card, by the way. I'm curious as to your solution since you seem to be quite enthusiastic about the idea.

 

I don't understand why someone who is "making trouble" is reasonably suspicious as an illegal? As someone noted on this thread, the illegals are actually usually the victims when it comes to trouble like that, not the perpetrators.

But seems like you could probably do something like what your'e talking about before the law. I don't know. I'm not an expert on what is and what is not within bounds when it comes to immigration policing.

 

Where exactly did I say illegals were the ONLY ones making trouble? I didn't.

And as for how'd I'd make sure every citizen has a national ID card, I'd make it the law that every person over the age of 18 carry it on them at all times.

If you get caught without it, you get a ticket. Much in the same way drivers driving without a license on them can go to court to get the charge dropped if they've got proof they've got a license, people caught without an ID on them would get a ticket as well.

You're right that some people aren't going to carry it on them but in my Utopian society in my head, it only becomes an issue as a secondary offense. So, in other words, you don't just get stopped while you're walking down the street. You get puled over, bam, you better have it.

So unless your dude under the bridge gets popped for scoring some drugs, this law shouldn't affect him in the slightest.

But what it does do is give police one more tool at their disposal to separate the legals from the illegals and while it might not be a big issue in Idaho, I have a feeling it would make a pretty big impact in places like Texas, Arizona and California.

 

In Cuba you have to carry your "carnet" with you at all times and produce it on demand. I can't say I thought I would see the day when an American would put forth an idea that made it mandatory for everyone to carry an id card.

 

Besides, it's easier just to stitch some sort of symbol on their clothes.

 

Look, the way I see it you either want to find a real solution to the problem or you want to grandstand on some bullshit belief that your freedom is being taken from you because, god forbid, you have to carry an ID.

Oh noes, what ever will you do? How could you be asked to carry something as burdensome as an ID card? Those things weight like, what, 20 or 30 pounds? :

Lord knows people should just be content with sitting back and pretending there are no real solutions to the immigration problem. That'll work much better.

 

Yeah, you've got a real solution: a government card that you have to show for any transaction.

Dude, don't lift a hallmark of fascist societies as a solution for the US and then wonder why people don't hail it as genius.