Ubaldo Jimenez Detained in AZ As Illegal

But my point is that identification, as it is currently used, is pretty much mandatory for 95% of the people in today's society.

You can't get a job without an ID, you can't pay your taxes, you can't do about 1,000 different things without proving who you are.

I'm arguing that a National ID would be no different and, as such, isn't that bad an idea.

We'll just have to agree to disagree here.

And, yes, I am reading what others are writing. The ideas of immigration reform listed above are tremendous. They really are. I'm just saying this would be another step.

I don't see what the big deal is. I guess I'm just naive enough to not care if the government gets involved in my life because, well, frankly, if they did they would just be bored to tears anyway. I don't do anything remotely illegal so, for me, it's a non-issue.

 

Not yet but I would love to have one.

 

No, it's not. You can't just change the meaning of words to fit the argument want to make. Mandatory means mandatory.

You know how it should be easy for you to tell that this is a silly statement? Because you could use that justification for literally *any* government power. You are essentially arguing for no limits on government power, because you feel as if you wouldn't run afoul of them so what's the harm?

 

How else would you describe something you're required to carry with you in every way but the written law? "Pretty much mandatory" sums it up nicely, I think.

There you go stretching the truth again. I say "I don't see what the big deal is" with being required to carry a National ID and you pretend I'm saying "I don't see what the big deal is with the government taking my life over".

They're not the same and you know it.

 

Missed, I think, is the completely hilarious notion that the people pushing for immigration reform and things like a national ID card are the same people pushing for smaller government and less federal regulations.
As already noted, making a federal ID card mandatory is a nearly unprecedented expansion of governmental power.
So I don't know if it is funny or sad that people can't make that connection.

 

Well, some people are against being forced to avoid a medical/financial catastrophe, so who knows

 

Of course, these are some of the same people who just recently became outraged over big government and deficit spending, after sitting quietly through a presidency where deficit spending spiraled to new heights and a new government agency was created.

Irony ain't in their vocabulary, apparently.

 

And here I was thinking we weren't allowed to talk politics here

 

We're not.

We're talking theoretical politics.

 

I'm pretty sure a national ID card is seen by both sides as a horrible idea. Pretty much any politician who supports it would be in danger of losing his seat because, as this thread has proven, even big-government liberals hate the idea of such widespread encroachment. As for the immigration reform/big government link, many of the people who want the former realize they can't wait around for a solution from the latter, and thus you get actions like that of Arizona.

 

Are you an actual sentient being, or are these posts a result of narrative science?

 

There was a law passed 5 years ago that would force states to standardize certain parts of their drivers licenses by 2009. No one has done it, and 25 states passed resolutions flat-out refusing to do it. One of the loudest critics is now Homeland Security Secretary, so I don't see that law ever being put in effect.