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Ukraine Always Get What You Want

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by TigerVols, Feb 12, 2022.

  1. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Meanwhile, Putin's killing civilians on designated evacuation routes.

    Russian forces fire on evacuees, leaving at least 3 people dead outside Kyiv.

    The shelling suggested either targeting of the evacuation routes from Irpin, something of which the Ukrainian authorities have accused the Russian army after a railroad track used for evacuations was hit on Saturday, or disregard for the risk of civilian casualties.

    Putin issues new threats on Ukraine; cease-fire quickly breaks down

    The first cease-fire since Russia invaded Ukraine nine days earlier fell apart within an hour Saturday when Russian forces resumed shelling two besieged southern cities.

    The cease-fire had been set to begin at 9 a.m. Kyiv time under an agreement with the Ukrainian government, the Russian Defense Ministry said, making it the first concrete sign of cooperation between the two sides after they decided in negotiations this week to create humanitarian corridors aimed at evacuating civilians from conflict areas. Ukrainian and Russian leaders are expected to hold another round of talks on Monday.

    Pavlo Kirilenko, head of the Ukrainian government’s regional military administration in the eastern province of Donetsk, confirmed the cease-fire and evacuation of Mariupol in a post on Facebook. The city of Volnovakha was also covered by the agreement.

    But about an hour after the evacuation began, at 11 a.m. Kyiv time, Russian forces resumed shelling, making it impossible to move people out safely, Mariupol's deputy mayor said. By 1 p.m., the Donetsk regional administration suspended the evacuation effort, with residents advised to head to shelters and abandon the gathering points where municipal buses were to spirit them out of the city.

     
  2. TigerVols

    TigerVols Well-Known Member

    Yep. Blinken tempered Ukraine expectations while simultaneously providing cover for no-fly-zone in a box shipments.
     
  3. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    And also telling Putin what's already off the table.

    Why not leave the possibility open as leverage to get Putin negotiating?
     
  4. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    There are a lot of companies (other than Shell) who are refusing to purchase Russian oil out of fear of being caught with it when further sanctions hit, or that they'll pay to buy and it won't ship. Many transporters and insurers are also refusing to touch those deals due to similar uncertainties. So even though there is no formal ban on Russian fuel, there are self-imposed sanctions in place. That is part of what we're feeling.
     
  5. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

  6. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

     
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  7. Noholesin1

    Noholesin1 Active Member

    Ron DeSantis is doing everything he can to cripple the solar industry in the Sunshine State. Idiot.
     
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  8. Justin_Rice

    Justin_Rice Well-Known Member


    I mean on so many levels it makes more sense. Beyond everything else: Operating jets is expensive, takes a big logistics train, and requires a ton of training.

    Teaching two-man teams to operate a stinger and making Ukraine skies as unfriendly as possible is so much more cost effective.
     
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  9. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

  10. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    So is the Alabama Public Utilities Commission, a wholly owned subsidiary of Alabama Power.
     
  11. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    Ron DeSantis is doing everything he can to bring back the 14th century so he can buy indulgences to rape prepubescent children
     
  12. OscarMadison

    OscarMadison Well-Known Member

    The quiet part that isn't being said in Red States is people around here are rooting for Putin and Russia.
     
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