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Ukraine Always Get What You Want

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by TigerVols, Feb 12, 2022.

  1. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    He has been employing all the leverage he has, and it's been propping up the ruble.

    Russia has no need to cut off Europe from their oil and gas, because Gazprom wasn't subject to the sanctions. Putin postured about "unfriendly countries" being forced to pay in rubles, and Germany said they wouldn't renegotiate their contracts. But it was all Kabuki theater, because they are still paying Gazprom in Euros, and Gazprom, which isn't being sanctioned, turns around and buys rubles with those euros. That props up the ruble.

    At the same time, Europe hasn't stopped buying oil and gas from Gazprom (and Putin knows they won't). Even if they did that, there is enough demand from countries that will take a Russian discount that Putin knows that oil and gas are his real currency, not the ruble.
     
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  2. sgreenwell

    sgreenwell Well-Known Member

    In fairness to Garry K., he's been a vocal critic of Putin and has attempted to organize against him since the early 2000s, I believe. He's had to deal with being spied on by the Russian secret police and probably is lucky he hasn't been near any open windows in that time frame. While I think some of his ideas are unrealistic as far as intervention goes and agree with Gee's point about him earlier in the thread, I also recognize that he's got more skin in the game and putting himself at more personal danger than most.
     
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  3. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

  4. HanSenSE

    HanSenSE Well-Known Member

    See also: "How can you criticize (player) when you never played the game?" Is being in combat a prerequisite for discussing it?
     
  5. WriteThinking

    WriteThinking Well-Known Member

    Has anyone figured out what he's desperate for?

    There's nothing he doesn't have, including wealth, power and control.

    Except for, perhaps, respect, now. Which he probably had, but has lost, and which he won't ever get by destroying other people or countries.
     
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  6. WriteThinking

    WriteThinking Well-Known Member

    I'd say that would be no way to treat Russian sympathizers, either. And that Ukrainians, who have allowed Russian soldiers to phone home, and even go home previously, are unlikely to have done something like that. Or to have even thought to stage it.
     
  7. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    One thing I have seen recommended as a new way to aid Ukraine is to take some of its pilots to the West and begin training them on Western fighter jets. This is a long process, but since the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs testified today that the war could last years, might as well get started. BTW, Czech Republic is transferring tanks to Ukraine and both it and Slovakia may let Ukrainian armor be repaired and refitted on their territory at their facilities.
     
  8. WriteThinking

    WriteThinking Well-Known Member

    An argument against a neutral Ukraine, which, really, needs to win this fight against Russia -- this conflict it didn't want, seek, cause or, probably, even fathom.

    A Neutral Ukraine Is a Dangerous Idea
     
  9. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    cool

    cool cool cool
     
  10. 2muchcoffeeman

    2muchcoffeeman Well-Known Member

  11. Batman

    Batman Well-Known Member

    If true, grain of salt, etc., but ... wow.
    Not sure what's more stunning — that they're out of missiles, that they're having to beg North Korea for stuff, or that Chins told them to buzz off.

     
  12. Batman

    Batman Well-Known Member

    Australia is also sending a handful of armored vehicles. It's like the armies of the world are having a garage sale and getting rid of all of their old stuff.
    One of the big winners at the end of this are going to be the American and Western European defense contractors. The Eastern European NATO members are clearing out their Soviet/Russian gear to send it to Ukraine. It'll need to be replaced, and it almost certainly will not be with similar equipment.
     
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