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Ukraine Always Get What You Want

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by TigerVols, Feb 12, 2022.

  1. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Those things were not happening regardless by 1991. It wasn't even so much a matter of time anymore. The Soviet Union was teetering and was going to collapse one way or another.

    The problem with that collapse was that the repression and overly-controlled command economy didn't leave the former members with any basis to deal with the economic and social realities they then faced. And in the case of Ukraine, the political dysfunction and economic corruption that took hold really hurt its people and held back the country in the 1990s and 2000s.

    Saying that. ... doesn't mean that the repressive Soviet system had made for good times and good lives for most Ukrainians or that somehow not being able to preserve a totalitarian-run, command economy (under which its people had suffered, let's not forget that) was a bad thing. Decades of the Soviet Union itself is what caused the chaotic aftermath of the Soviet Union when it collapsed.
     
  2. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Anyone have

    "If only post-Soviet Russia had harnessed the power of gulag capitalism like China"

    on their bingo cards?

    Anyone?
     
  3. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    The discussion of who’s next after Putin is interesting. He’s a dictator with no succession plan - that we know of. Normally, you’d expect his kids to be next up (hi Don Jr!) but that doesn’t seem like an option. Somebody from his inner circle? An already established mafioso with enough money and henchmen to bribe and coerce their way to the head of the table?
     
  4. Batman

    Batman Well-Known Member

    Medvedev, the former president, I think has stayed in his inner circle and would probably be next man up if Putin were to get a little too close to an open window.
     
  5. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    What did Tony Soprano's org chart look like?
     
  6. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    Last edited: Sep 23, 2022
  7. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    Thomas Friedman is waving his hand frantically, professor.
     
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  8. UPChip

    UPChip Well-Known Member

    I remember two things from his brief tenure as President back when Russia bothered to have checks and balances and Putin had term limits. One, he was like 5'4" and was really into like Black Sabbath and metal and stuff. That was enough for a couple puff pieces in American media.
     
  9. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    We overlapped a year as undergrads at Minnesota, and between us we have three Pulitzers.
     
  10. Driftwood

    Driftwood Well-Known Member

    Why this talk about Putin's "successor" because isn't Russia a free country with fair elections where any qualified candidate could get their name on the ballot and win?
     
  11. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    Well, the person with the most votes actually WINS over there, but that's about where it ends.
     
  12. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    LOL.
     
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