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Ukraine Always Get What You Want

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by TigerVols, Feb 12, 2022.

  1. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member


    I should temper this by saying Putin's invasion of Ukraine - after years of having done likewise in Eastern Europe - is a pretty stark failure of American and European diplomacy, too.
     
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  2. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    I don't know if we could. Putin didn't know it, and wouldn't believe it for quite a while after the Ukrainians started kicking the hell out of the Russian army.
     
  3. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    This.
     
  4. Spartan Squad

    Spartan Squad Well-Known Member

    I think the US knew how Russia's military stacked up against it's own. The question was how would it stack up against Ukraine. So overestimating capabilities is not a failure of intelligence. We were right that Ukraine would need support. And there are many layers to offering support that can't be ignored or shortcutted. The US can't go at this alone and needed to get NATO involved because it's European NATO's neck on the line not ours. There are competing interests we have to navigate. The fact we have gotten as much as we have as quickly as we have is a testament to what we have been able to do.

    And I said you wanted troops on the ground not advocated for. The distinction is in your demands we do more there was an implication the only way to push Russia back is boots on the ground. So I less suggesting you advocated and more inferred it.
     
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  5. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

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    Azrael Well-Known Member

  7. Regan MacNeil

    Regan MacNeil Well-Known Member

    I wonder how Rupert will react.
     
  8. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    The Russians are saying that he was acting on behalf of the U.S. government, collected information constituting a state secret about the activities of one of the enterprises of the Russian military-industrial complex, and that he was "caught red handed."

    He's so fucked. :(
     
  9. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

  10. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    I'll be off the board most of the day, but I'm starting a thread in Journalism with as much information as I can find on how to help Evan.

    Lots of people and press organizations working on this.
     
    Last edited: Mar 30, 2023
  11. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    This is going to get worse.

     
  12. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

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