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mustangj17 · Nov 18, 2009

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WolvEagle said:

Mustang - Don't get so touchy, please. Where there's smoke, there's fire, and there's lots of smoke swirling above Schembechler Hall.

Remember - football (and whatever other sport) is just a game. It's not life and death. It's not worth busting a blood vessel over. The sun will come up tomorrow - guaranteed.
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If it happens it happens, but I don't think Mary Sue Coleman gains anything from coming out, saying the job is safe, and then firing the guy.

I Should Coco · Nov 18, 2009

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Starman said:

mustangj17 said:

WolvEagle said:

I think this speculation is justified. This is one of the premier college football coaching jobs in the country, as was said on the previous page. The coach has a conduct/rule clause. The program is being investigated by the NCAA, and the coach was hung out to dry on the university's Web site a matter of days before the biggest game of the season, as far as a rival.

Speculate on, fellow scribes.
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Lets speculate on something the Michigan president said wasn't going to happen.
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College presidents always say that shit, and quite frequently fire the coach four days later. Anything an administrator/AD/university president says is meaningless.
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In fact, I seem to remember Mary Sue Coleman saying how great the University of Iowa was and how it was her dream job to be president of such a fine institution.

When the opening for U-M President came, she dumped Iowa City like a sack of potatoes.

WolvEagle · Nov 18, 2009

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By the looks of all of this, it sure looks like an inside job, like the "Friends of Lloyd" are having a major say.

WaylonJennings · Nov 18, 2009

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I don't think Kelly is precluded from Michigan for those comments, for essentially leaving out the magic word "inner-city" as a qualifier, but I think it will be difficult for Notre Dame to hire him after shuttling broadcaster Paul Hornung for a similar slip of the tongue.

mustangj17 · Nov 18, 2009

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WaylonJennings said:

I don't think Kelly is precluded from Michigan for those comments, for essentially leaving out the magic word "inner-city" as a qualifier, but I think it will be difficult for Notre Dame to hire him after shuttling broadcaster Paul Hornung for a similar slip of the tongue.
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If I remember correctly, MSU turned Kelly down because they couldn't trust that he wouldn't leave and go to Michigan or another school.

Starman · Nov 18, 2009

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mustangj17 said:

WaylonJennings said:

I don't think Kelly is precluded from Michigan for those comments, for essentially leaving out the magic word "inner-city" as a qualifier, but I think it will be difficult for Notre Dame to hire him after shuttling broadcaster Paul Hornung for a similar slip of the tongue.
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If I remember correctly, MSU turned Kelly down because they couldn't trust that he wouldn't leave and go to Michigan or another school.
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MSU turned Kelly down because he was not a protege of George Perles or Nick Saban, an ironclad requirement for the head coaching job.

The "job-hopper" label on Kelly is spurious, once again planted by old-schoolers at both MSU and UM in the effort to chase an "insider" out of the running and clear the field for insider candidates.

Kelly has had three jobs in 19 seasons, and each time he moved it was for a significant upgrade. He's not like a Glen Mason, constantly trolling for lateral moves.

armageddon · Nov 18, 2009

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mustangj17 said:

armageddon said:

StaggerLee said:

WaylonJennings said:

StaggerLee said:

Hank_Scorpio said:

A lot of UM fanboi message boards are crawling with people that think Brian Kelly or Les Miles will be here next year.

Both of which are probably preposterous ideas.
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I think if LSU fans had a vote right now, they'd send Les Miles packing. But it's too much of a buyout on either side for it to happen now.

To me, the bigger question is has Jim Harbaugh and Michigan kissed and made up yet. Because if I'm Michigan, I go all out trying to get him.
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If you're talking about Rodriguez's off-field discretions being enough to get rid of him, fine. Let's say how that plays out.

But, again, he ain't getting fired for going 5-7 this year. Absolutely no shot. And he shouldn't. The offense is way, way better - 70 yards a game better even if you take out Delaware State. The defense is in the first year under Robinson, who completely changed the system from a 4-3 to a 3-4. They are 15 under the scholarship limit as a whole, and dress about 3/4 freshmen and sophomores. Under those limitations, hiring a coach who just came off three straight 11-win seasons after his team showed substantial improvement in year 2 would be clinically insane.

And bad-mouth the Big East all you want about those 11-win seasons - those years also included three consecutive New Year's Day bowl victories, including an absolute whooping of Oklahoma in the BCS.
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Well, I certainly can't speak for anyone else, but I'm talking strictly about his off-the-field problems. It's clearly stated in his contract that he can be fired (and the university is off the hook for his contract) for a major violation or knowingly committing a minor violation.

As a Michigan fan, I'm the first to say there's been drastic improvement. With that said, I thought they'd go 7-5 this year, so I still feel like they've underachieved. They should have beaten Purdue and should have beaten Illinois. That gets them to 7-4 going into tOSU.

I'm not one of those fanbois who want the coach fired after every loss. I think they need to give him at least four years, probably five years. Give him a chance to live up to his word (he says he doesn't have the players to run his system yet). If, after four years they're still losing 38-36 games, or blowing 24-10 halftime leads, then by all means it's time to move on to someone else.
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The fact he lost by 21 to Wisconsin -- it should have been much worse -- means he should be shown the door.
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Lloyd Carr lost by 16 in his final season to Wisconsin. Should they have fired him? You are going to fire a guy based on the Wisconsin loss?

His record sucks. He is sketchy, but I think he will turn it around IF he can get the defensive problems addressed. The offense is fine save for a few freshman mistakes and the special teams are much improved. The defense sucks but that has a lot to do with not having a lot of experience, not having a full slate of scholarship players etc. They've had a lot of attrition and players being kicked off the team dating back to Johnny Sears during the Lloyd Carr era. They are weak at the linebacker because of some transfers during the Carr era and signing Austin Panter a JUCO LB... the attrition when RR came didn't help, neither did booting Cissoko off the team BUT AGAIN, Cissoko was also a Carr target. Rodriguez has lost his share of players, hasn't done well developing others like Mike Williams (original Carr recruit) but this defense cannot all be blamed on him. Oh and this is the team's fourth defensive coordinator in four years.
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Christ, did I really need the blue font?

But nice list of excuses.

mustangj17 · Nov 18, 2009

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tstumpf said:

Mustang, no offense, but comparing Michigan's football program to its basketball program is ridiculous. The basketball program has already humiliated the school -- multiple times with its off-field crap. When Amaker was there it was a national afterthought and is still struggling to escape that perception.

The football team is swiftly headed that direction and the president will sent Rod packing if the fatcats who give the school money tell her to. And you can bet a lot of them are telling her that already. He's an embarrassment to the school, the program and the alumni.

He's also been fairly unsuccessful as a recruiter in his first two years at Michigan, and his third class, based on early projections, is barely inside the top 20. Not exactly the kind of guys needed to turn a program around. Part of the reason Michigan is well below the scholarship limit is he can't get blue chippers to sign.
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You need to read.

I wasn't the one who compared them. Mary Sue Coleman compared them in an article by the Wall St. Journal.

Oh and Starman, I don't consider Cincinatti two years ago to be an upgrade over CMU two years ago. Cincy was a slightly better team in a down conference. If Kelly were at CMU now the Chips would probably be undefeated, and in the top 15 or 20. No not as good as Cincy, but not far off. It was that move that surprised me. I always assumed he would leave, but I thought it would be for a Big 10/SEC/BIG 12 school.

Starman · Nov 18, 2009

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mustangj17 said:

Oh and Starman, I don't consider Cincinatti two years ago to be an upgrade over CMU two years ago. Cincy was a slightly better team in a down conference. If Kelly were at CMU now the Chips would probably be undefeated, and in the top 15 or 20. No not as good as Cincy, but not far off. It was that move that surprised me. I always assumed he would leave, but I thought it would be for a Big 10/SEC/BIG 12 school.
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Cincinnati is in the Big East, a HUGE upgrade over the MAC.

An undefeated team in the Big East can go to the BCS championship game. An undefeated team in the MAC can go to the, uhhhhh, Pizza Pizza Bowl. Plus, I am pretty sure UC pays its football coach about twice what CMU pays.

Cincinnati is a huge upgrade over CMU. Kelly would have been nuts to turn down the job.

Hank_Scorpio · Nov 18, 2009

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Yep, Kelly makes $1.2 million at Cinci.

Jones makes $275,000 at CMU.

And anyone who believes MSC is 100 percent behind DickRod is also nuts.

zagoshe · Nov 18, 2009

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Actually an undefeated team from the MAC would go to Motor City Bowl or International Bowl, not the Pizza Bowl.

Hank_Scorpio · Nov 18, 2009

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The Pizza Bowl is the Motor City Bowl now. Sponsors changed this year.

MAC Champion goes to Pizza Bowl or GMAC Bowl, alternating years.

International Bowl, which is usually played around Jan. 6-7 in Toronto to very little fanfare, gets the third place MAC team.

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