UPDATED JULY 10: Tim Sullivan to Courier-Journal

imjustagirl · Jun 6, 2012

Re: Eric Crawford, Rick Bozich leaving the Louisville Courier-Journal

YankeeFan said:

Point of Order said:

YF, stick to coffee.
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PoO, stick to...

Nope. Can't think of anything your an expert on.
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No offense, YF, so please don't jump my shit. But that last sentence is pretty much perfect.

YankeeFan · Jun 6, 2012

Re: Eric Crawford, Rick Bozich leaving the Louisville Courier-Journal

imjustagirl said:

YankeeFan said:

Point of Order said:

YF, stick to coffee.
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PoO, stick to...

Nope. Can't think of anything your an expert on.
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No offense, YF, so please don't jump my shit. But that last sentence is pretty much perfect.
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Better?

BurnsWhenIPee · Jun 6, 2012

Re: Eric Crawford, Rick Bozich leaving the Louisville Courier-Journal

YankeeFan said:

Bubbler said:

I hope it's a rousing success, though, because it'll show there's intrinsic and monetary value to having columnists in the first place. A lot of papers seem to be on the fence about that, with some hacking their columnists.
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I'm guessing there's probably some demographic differences between a newspaper's web readers vs. those who still read it on dead tree. Print subscribers are likely older for example.

But, does anyone know, or has anyone studied, if the number of hits a particular story, or columnist gets can be extrapolated to how many people read him/her in the paper?

I ask, because people like to say that folks buy the newspaper to read this columnist, or that columnist. But, is it true?

With the internet, editors know exactly how many hits a columnist is generating. I'll bet a lot of folks who they thought were "indispensable" turn out not to draw so many page views. And, unless there's some evidence that people really are buying the paper to read them, I bet a lot of them are going to find themselves expendable, especially if they're drawing large salaries.
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Seems like the million-dollar question in this case.

Their departure definitely will hurt the C-J. But will readers change their habits to the point where they will alter their browsing habits and go to the TV station's site regularly to see what they are saying? I'm sure some will, but I'm equally sure not all will.

I'm sure we all have our list of writers who rise to the level of "must read", to the point where we'll seek them out wherever they end up. But how long is that list? Not that my day is that packed or my time is that valuable, but I'm not willing to do the extra clicks and visit 3 or 4 or 8 different sites to visit all the different places where some of my favorite writers have spread out to.

I don't know the market, but do these two rise to that "must read" level in Louisville?

KYSportsWriter · Jun 6, 2012

Re: Eric Crawford, Rick Bozich leaving the Louisville Courier-Journal

Bozich definitely does. Crawford, IMO, does as well, but to a lesser extent.

Piotr Rasputin · Jun 6, 2012

Re: Eric Crawford, Rick Bozich leaving the Louisville Courier-Journal

Point of Order said:

YF, stick to coffee.
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Why, because his (salient) points might make newspaper people cry?

YankeeFan said:

Bubbler said:

I hope it's a rousing success, though, because it'll show there's intrinsic and monetary value to having columnists in the first place. A lot of papers seem to be on the fence about that, with some hacking their columnists.
Click to expand...

I'm guessing there's probably some demographic differences between a newspaper's web readers vs. those who still read it on dead tree. Print subscribers are likely older for example.

But, does anyone know, or has anyone studied, if the number of hits a particular story, or columnist gets can be extrapolated to how many people read him/her in the paper?

I ask, because people like to say that folks buy the newspaper to read this columnist, or that columnist. But, is it true?

With the internet, editors know exactly how many hits a columnist is generating. I'll bet a lot of folks who they thought were "indispensable" turn out not to draw so many page views. And, unless there's some evidence that people really are buying the paper to read them, I bet a lot of them are going to find themselves expendable, especially if they're drawing large salaries.
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If anyone can rip this post - besides, of course, the messenger - I'll be fascinated to hear it.

Alma · Jun 7, 2012

Re: Eric Crawford, Rick Bozich leaving the Louisville Courier-Journal

Piotr Rasputin said:

Point of Order said:

YF, stick to coffee.
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Why, because his (salient) points might make newspaper people cry?
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What's his point again?

Mark2010 · Jun 7, 2012

Re: Eric Crawford, Rick Bozich leaving the Louisville Courier-Journal

YankeeFan said:

Bubbler said:

I hope it's a rousing success, though, because it'll show there's intrinsic and monetary value to having columnists in the first place. A lot of papers seem to be on the fence about that, with some hacking their columnists.
Click to expand...

I'm guessing there's probably some demographic differences between a newspaper's web readers vs. those who still read it on dead tree. Print subscribers are likely older for example.

But, does anyone know, or has anyone studied, if the number of hits a particular story, or columnist gets can be extrapolated to how many people read him/her in the paper?

I ask, because people like to say that folks buy the newspaper to read this columnist, or that columnist. But, is it true?

With the internet, editors know exactly how many hits a columnist is generating. I'll bet a lot of folks who they thought were "indispensable" turn out not to draw so many page views. And, unless there's some evidence that people really are buying the paper to read them, I bet a lot of them are going to find themselves expendable, especially if they're drawing large salaries.
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I agree. If you're going to start cutting bodies, that seems to be a logical starting point.

dixiehack · Jun 7, 2012

Re: Eric Crawford, Rick Bozich leaving the Louisville Courier-Journal

This won't be easy, but it will be easier to draw an audience now than it was in pre-Twitter days. Both presumably have a good following and can direct people right to their stories. Plus sportswriters seem to live for tetweeting their buddys' work, which can also expand the audience.

Alma · Jun 7, 2012

Re: Eric Crawford, Rick Bozich leaving the Louisville Courier-Journal

Mark2010 said:

YankeeFan said:

Bubbler said:

I hope it's a rousing success, though, because it'll show there's intrinsic and monetary value to having columnists in the first place. A lot of papers seem to be on the fence about that, with some hacking their columnists.
Click to expand...

I'm guessing there's probably some demographic differences between a newspaper's web readers vs. those who still read it on dead tree. Print subscribers are likely older for example.

But, does anyone know, or has anyone studied, if the number of hits a particular story, or columnist gets can be extrapolated to how many people read him/her in the paper?

I ask, because people like to say that folks buy the newspaper to read this columnist, or that columnist. But, is it true?

With the internet, editors know exactly how many hits a columnist is generating. I'll bet a lot of folks who they thought were "indispensable" turn out not to draw so many page views. And, unless there's some evidence that people really are buying the paper to read them, I bet a lot of them are going to find themselves expendable, especially if they're drawing large salaries.
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I agree. If you're going to start cutting bodies, that seems to be a logical starting point.
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Except the C-J isn't cutting the position. And the columnists left of their own accord. And YF doesn't know what any of the traffic numbers really are.

Mizzougrad96 · Jun 7, 2012

Re: Eric Crawford, Rick Bozich leaving the Louisville Courier-Journal

printit said:

there just has to be more to this story. The top 2 columnists at a paper leave the same day? hmmmm..
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I don't think anything is suspicious about it. The place that hired them wanted to make a splash. Safe to say mission accomplished.

Mizzougrad96 · Jun 7, 2012

Re: Eric Crawford, Rick Bozich leaving the Louisville Courier-Journal

If you have a signature columnist that person should be a pretty big draw. There aren't many left. I'd really have to think about it, but I'd be surprised if there are many more than 10 although there are probably another 10 who fall in the "debatable" category.

I'm talking someone like Plaschke, (although Simers would qualify as well...) or Paige, Albom, Ryan, Lupica... a guy who has been at the paper or the region a minimum of a decade and in most cases well beyond that...

Bozich was that for Louisville.

the fop · Jun 7, 2012

Re: Eric Crawford, Rick Bozich leaving the Louisville Courier-Journal

Mizzougrad96 said:

If you have a signature columnist that person should be a pretty big draw. There aren't many left. I'd really have to think about it, but I'd be surprised if there are many more than 10 although there are probably another 10 who fall in the "debatable" category.

I'm talking someone like Plaschke, (although Simers would qualify as well...) or Paige, Albom, Ryan, Lupica... a guy who has been at the paper or the region a minimum of a decade and in most cases well beyond that...

Bozich was that for Louisville.
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I'd count Mark Bradley in Atlanta, Paul Daugherty in Cincinnati, among others.

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