UVA and the alleged frat rape - Rolling Stone backpedals

Read the methodology of the survey I posted. It in no way, shape or form does what you two suggest.

That's part of the problem. The survey is posted, and it clearly shows "X." One poster says he saw a survey 20 years ago that said "Y." Therefore, "Y" is what we end up discussing.

 

He should feel OK that he is sacrificing for the greater good. It's his college altruism project!

 

And, the 19% number for undergraduate women comes from the National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey.

It was a random dial telephone survey.

If you can find a list of the questions asked, then you are better at google than I am.

 

Yes, indeed, it's more complicated than that. But it's also the case that it's not complicated at all.

In Jackie's case, there are those to whom whether she was actually raped is an irrelevancy. And in the broader story of campuses being dragooned into being adjudicators of sexual assault cases, there are those to whom whether an individual respondent (i.e., defendant) could actually be innocent is a similarly trivial consideration.

Arguing about the statistics is a form of truth-seeking. When the truth really doesn't matter, why even bother with the argument?

 

Full questionnaire here:

CDC Stacks | National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey (NISVS) 2011 victimization questions - 24726 | Library Collection

Again, the main issue is the drug and alcohol section. It clearly states "even if someone uses alcohol or drugs, what happens to them is not their fault." And, by "what happens," they mean the pointed series of questions that follows, all having to do with forced penetration. Argue about "fault" all you want - but being at "fault" for getting drunk is completely different than being at "fault" for getting raped because you got drunk.

And, again, this is a public-health survey, not criminal justice statistics. So adjudications or legal definitions vis-a-vis these particular numbers are apples-to-oranges.

 

Am I reading this right? The kid was never accused of rape but was ordered to stay away from another student because he looked like someone who had raped her thousands of miles away?

 

Erdely is as good a reason as any to require certification for journalists. A joke of a 'profession'.

 

AQB, that's about it.

Sadly, it isn't even a slam-dunk for most egregious violation of rights. It might be, but it's a strong competition.

 

So you ARE in favor of discrimination! Hypocrite.

 

Not to be presumptuous enough to raise YF's ire, but I think everyone can agree that MC's statement here that a woman getting drunk does not provide free license to rape her.

So that said, I think one scenario people are questioning is this:

College guy and college girl meet at a party or wherever and both get rip-roaring drunk, start flirting, then kissing, etc. He says, "Want to go fool around?" She nods or smiles or winks or just goes with him or whatever. Or maybe no one asks or answers and they just wander off to his or her room and one thing leads to another, as they say.

She wakes up the next morning, horrified. She thinks, "Oh my God, I never would have done that if I was sober." Or, "I wasn't thinking straight." Maybe she doesn't remember if she said yes or no to anything. Hell, maybe the guy is thinking the same thing.

So the question is, is that rape? A sexual assault? Should it be considered that? And how much of that sort of thing, if any, is part of the 19 percent statistic often cited?

 

If that's rape, we're gonna need a lot more prisons.