UVA and the alleged frat rape - Rolling Stone backpedals

So would 65 percent of them have resulted in charges then? Is that what that means?

 

Exactly. The way it's categorized now, I'm willing to bet there are hundreds of incidents where clothing didn't come off yet they're figured into that 1 in 5 statistic.

 

"Attempted forced kissing" fits the narrative a lot better than the more accurate "awkward moment" or "misread body language."

 

It could have.

It was a made up story. She could have set it anywhere. And, Duke fit the kind of setting she was looking for, but since a prior made up story had already been set there, it probably didn't make sense to set a second one there.

 

My freshman year of college this girl in my dorm found out her boyfriend had cheated on her and she decided she was going to fuck multiple guys that night to get revenge. She announced her intention to her roommate, got drunk and was double-teamed by two guys. After that, she wandered into a room where a bunch of us were, grabbed one of my friends and took him back to his room. She was 100 percent the aggressor. He said, "Are you sure?" but he went with her. She was crazy hot, so I'm guessing any of us who didn't have girlfriends would have gone.

The next day she gets back together with her boyfriend and tells her roommate she was raped by three guys the previous night. Her roommate tells her, "Uh, no... You went off looking for the first two guys, came back here, and then went back out again."

She apparently told her roommate she was going to file rape charges on Monday. First thing Monday, the dorm director met with her and then came looking for the three guys. My friend was called in and questioned and did not get into trouble because several people not only saw what happened, we also heard him ask her, "Are you sure?"

She filed charges against the guys who double-teamed her. Charges were dismissed within a couple weeks, but one of the guys was pulled out of school by his parents as a result.

It was some crazy, crazy fucked up shit.

 

No. It was something like 35 percent were prosecuted. Others weren't coded for a variety of reasons, like disparities between states' laws, or it shows a crime was committed but it wasn't prosecutable due to misidentification, etc.

 

I think I said this 70 or so pages ago, but when I was in college, we had a big dorm seminar in which the same scenario was put out there, and the two officials leading the discussion said they would consider it rape.

So then some guys pointed out that it could technically also be considered the woman sexually assaulting the guy, since they both were drunk and that if she couldn't give her consent, then he couldn't either. The discussion turned quite heated then.

 

This was addressed in a Slate piece. The expert they spoke to said that it is impossible for two people drunk beyond consent level to have sex, because neither would be able to initiate it in such a state.

 

Was the expert a nun?

 

The idea behind it, as the officials were saying, was mere drunkenness was considered to be incapable of giving consent, not being actually passed out or close to it. They weren't going so far to say that the guy should carry a breathalyzer with him to measure her level of intoxication, but that if she was acting drunk, he should back off or he would be risking a rape charge.

Which was then pointed out by the guys that how could they tell if a girl was being flirty for real, or if she was doing it because she was drinking. The officials really didn't have an answer.

Like I said, it was an interesting and somewhat heated discussion.

 

It was Jello Biafra.

 

Never a wrong time to roll this out upon seeing a Jello Biafra reference.

I mean, he's no 6'4 All-American with mad hops or anything but he's a fascinating interview here nevertheless.