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UVA and the alleged frat rape - Rolling Stone backpedals

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Big Circus, Nov 19, 2014.

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  1. PW2

    PW2 Member

    Most likely scenario is that her "trauma" was the rejection by Randall.

    Women that age - and men - aren't always rational. When I was a sophomore or a junior, I remember I dated a woman for like three weeks. We weren't even official. We come back from a break of some sort, and she calls it off. I email her that I might "never get over this." Sheer lunacy, I know. But unrequitted love, first time away from home ... I think it's not unlikely that Randall rejecting her - which probably didn't happen too often, as Jackie is a really cute girl and obviously smart, too - was earth-shattering for her.
     
    PW2, Dec 11, 2014
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  2. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    “She had very clearly just experienced a horrific trauma,” Randall said. “I had never seen anybody acting like she was on that night before, and I really hope I never have to again. . . . If she was acting on the night of Sept. 28, 2012, then she deserves an Oscar.”
     
    MisterCreosote, Dec 11, 2014
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  3. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    Yeah. And in retrospect, I think it's pretty clear it was an Oscar-worthy act. He did not witness it. He just said she was acting really fucked up.

    Which she is. In the head. Severely.
     
    LongTimeListener, Dec 11, 2014
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  4. jr/shotglass

    jr/shotglass Well-Known Member

    DD, I'm getting so tired of people "congratulating" themselves for being the ones not taken in by this. And I'm getting so tired of people being considered simpletons for starting with the idea that this might be a legitimate story.

    This was not a "win" moment for you journalism critics. This was a "loss" for everyone involved.
     
    jr/shotglass, Dec 11, 2014
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  5. PW2

    PW2 Member

    Scoreboard.
     
    PW2, Dec 11, 2014
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  6. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    I've said as much. And, we can't presume to know how she got that way.
     
    MisterCreosote, Dec 11, 2014
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  7. PW2

    PW2 Member

    Has anyone in key positions here - Rolling Stone and Teresa Sullivan, in particular - apologized to Phi Kappa Psi yet, or expressed any sympathy for them?
     
    PW2, Dec 11, 2014
    #667
  8. jr/shotglass

    jr/shotglass Well-Known Member

    Well, if I were Exhibit A, there was Exhibit B.

    CONGRATS, PW!
     
    jr/shotglass, Dec 11, 2014
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  9. Double Down

    Double Down Well-Known Member

    Not a win, shotty. But an acknowledgement that it's ok to examine a story skeptically without engaging in "rape-trutherism." My disappointment is enormous here. It's ok to be skeptical, and if it's done respectfully (as Bradley did kicking off this unraveling) you shouldn't be cast as a bad person.
     
    Double Down, Dec 11, 2014
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  10. da man

    da man Well-Known Member

    Manti Teo acted well enough to convince the entire news media he had a girlfriend who just died.
     
    da man, Dec 11, 2014
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  11. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Sally Kohm, having busted on her previous hand, is undeterred, and doubles down again:

    It's a pretty remarkable piece. You have to read it to believe it.

    But, at least CNN and Sally are clear about who she is:

    Editor's note: Sally Kohn is an activist, columnist and television commentator.
     
    YankeeFan, Dec 11, 2014
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  12. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I really don't get the hand wringing. It isn't a loss for me. I don't read Rolling Stone. To the extent I looked at an occasional story online the last few years, I knew exactly what Rolling Stone was about. I could evaluate it for myself. I didn't think they printed outright bullshit, but now that this story has become a thing, it really hasn't shattered my world one way or the other. I won't look at Rolling Stone as being reputable in the future. But it isn't as if I really was relying on Rolling Stone to inform me (or entertain me) about anything that is important to me before. It doesn't change how I really feel about any woman who says she was raped. When it comes up, I believe. I have empathy. I am angry. Unless I have a reason NOT to believe.

    If the purpose here is to proclaim, "Every magazine and newspaper and TV news station is suspect!" OK. Walk around with a healthy does of skepticism. That's a good thing, I'd think, whether you are watching the news or buying a car.

    I'm like anyone else. I read things geared toward certain topics I care about and I certainly gravitate to things that reinforce my biases. But if I find out that anything I see in one of those places is absolute bunk, they'll get crossed off my list.

    But isn't this how most people are? There are some people (not just journalists, but journalists, too) who are reliable. There are others who aren't. We all deal work with that reality. Is this really all that revelatory?
     
    The Big Ragu, Dec 11, 2014
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