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Welcome to the Pac-10, Lane Kiffin

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by TheSportsPredictor, Jan 12, 2010.

  1. Magnum

    Magnum Member

    There's at least 10 other people in the room. You can call and quote one of them to present where the other side is coming from. Then again, it's a column and Al obviously wanted to make a point, as misguided as it was.
     
  2. JayFarrar

    JayFarrar Well-Known Member

    In an oldie, but a goodie, SportsJournalists.com Kabuki Theater presents

    The reporter and his desk

    Me: My story on the Kiffin presser is in
    Slot: Fantastic, we are running it as the 1A centerpiece
    Me: Awesome
    Slot: We need some art, who shot it for us?
    Me: Umm, Kiffin said as a condition, no cameras could be in the room.
    Slot: What the fuck?!?!? Why didn't you call someone?
    Me: Well a TV guy complained, said he needed video but Bud told him that he was in their building and it was their rules.
    Slot: Holy shit, I need to call someone and they're going to be pissed.
    Me: Why? We have plenty of file art...
    Slot: Wait, did Bud really say it was their building, their rules?
    Me: Yeah, why?
    Slot: You idiot. It is a public building and state employees, they have no right to set the rules for a press conference at state-owned facility.
    Me: Well, I didn't want to get my credntials yanked.
    Slot: Dude, you'll be lucky to have a job when this is over.
    Me: What?!?!?
    Slot: No public employee tells the press what to do, ever, at a public press event. They invited us there and we don't agree to their terms.
    Me: Really. I thought that getting some information was better than getting no information.
    Slot: That's a decision made by people above your paygrade. Don't turn off your cell, we'll have questions.
    *click*

    Le Fin
     
  3. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Reporter: "After you copy edit it, you have to send it back to me and wait. I promised him I'd run the story by him for his approval before we go to press."

    Slot: "You did what? You handed editorial control over to him!"

    Reporter: "But those were his demands. And more information is better than less information. Besides, the TV guys were ready to roll and we didn't want to screw things up for them."
     
  4. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member


    There is a fundamental difference between being told what to do with information after you've acquired it and being told what information you can acquire.

    You keep trying to conflate the two, and it's wrong every time.
     
  5. PCLoadLetter

    PCLoadLetter Well-Known Member

    Kiffin's demand was that TV couldn't show his face. That's an attempt at editorial control that continues after the information is acquired.
     
  6. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    So they had video of his face?
     
  7. PCLoadLetter

    PCLoadLetter Well-Known Member

    No, because they didn't cave to his attempt at editorial control.
     
  8. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    If this logic made the remotest bit of sense, and it doesn't, then every source who ever refused to give you any scrap of information for any reason would be "attempting editorial control after the fact," whether you already had the information or not. Which is clearly absurd.

    Whether or not it was right to refuse the demands, it clearly was not a case of editorial control after the fact. This should be indisputable.
     
  9. PCLoadLetter

    PCLoadLetter Well-Known Member

    And it's not, but I'm not getting into this again.
     
  10. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    Way to violate my free speech after the fact by denying me the chance to reply to what you would have said.
     
  11. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Of course it is someone trying to take editorial control of the news when he says, "You can't record until I am ready to face the cameras with a scripted message."

    "After the fact," is a nonsensical distinction. There was no "after the fact," because they didn't hand over control of their cameras to him in the first place.
     
  12. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    So your position is that there is no difference between telling a reporter what information he can and can't have, and telling him what he can do with information after he has it?
     
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