Which system is better: NFL or Baseball

And for that matter, I blame Time Warner for the Braves' demise, especially in the last five years.

Ted Turner was the best thing to happen to that franchise. Well, that, and hiring Schuerholz.

 

Well, among the truisms evidenced on this board, it is that personal rifts often get in the way of logic.

There are five franchises that have not sniffed the playoffs in the past dozen years in baseball.

They all aren't run by David Glass.

For the person who likened the Yankees to the kid getting the 100 in class.... It's like that kid was given half the answers to get that score.

 

Sure...if you are a fan of a team in this maimed system, a guy driven to win with tons of money is the messiah.

The Braves are perhaps the best case study of the flawed structure.

Great management combined with unlimited resources equaled 14 consecutive years making the playoffs.

Now, as the funds dry up, great management combined with good, but finite, resources equals no playoffs.

 

pittsburgh run by the mcclatchy family, which has also shown little desire to win -- but did build a hell of a stadium
tampa bay -- new owner, but the last one was a joke.
milwaukee -- not too shabby now.
tigers -- ditto
kansas city -- glass.
nationals/expos -- owned by mlb

are those your teams?

 

Argue the fucking facts.

Are you actually gathering the temerity to say the Yankees with $200 million payrolls, don't have a jump on the competition before a single pitch is thrown?

Is that what you are saying?

And, what's up with that "there have been haves and have-nots forever, so it's OK" rationalization?

 

Blue Jays and Phillies also

 

time warner/turner merger was in 1996

 

blue jays and phillies -- proof spending doesn't equal success (and orioles, too, but they made the playoffs a while ago)

 

Now, to respond:

First of all, Time Warner has been in control since 1997, meaning 9 of those 14 titles came under their ownership. EDIT: The payroll, IIRC, began to freeze in 1998 and started dropping a year or two later. That's OWNERSHIP, not the system.

And are you really going to blame "the system" for the Braves sucking this year? That's ridiculous. They overachieved the last three years, they're younger now than they've ever been (save for last year's Baby Braves), Leo left, Sosa and Hudson are having shitty years, Chipper's been hurt (again), and the rookies are hitting the sophomore slump. It's all coming back on them at once. It's definitely not "the system." There's baseball reasons for their demise this year.

 

Buck can speak better to when Turner stopped at least de facto owning the Braves.

 

How good a management team do you expect to collect with no money to spend?

You can rationalize this everywhere and turn it into a textual bead of mercury.

 

The "rationalization" is ... baseball's been this way forever. It's only been in the last 10 years, when Mr. Bud started blaming "the system" for his team's shitty performance (under his daughter's ownership), that it became a "problem."

Good owner = good management = good team
Bad owner = bad management = bad team

Just the facts, Jack. Just the fucking facts.