Who Will be the Next Coach at Notre Dame

Yankee, I really don't have a dog in this fight. Just trying to bring some clarity to the conversation, based on about 20 years in enrollment management, as well as some very direct knowledge of ND & their admission process & methodology.

Is Notre Dame a "cakewalk" to get in to? No...but not NEARLY as difficult as the schools you've listed. But it's also not NEARLY as difficult for student athletes (or legacies...or donor interests, etc), as it is for the general applicant pool.

Here's my question for you. Can you tell me the specific disqualifying element, for a majority of potential ND football recruits? By the way...it's not GPA or test scores.....

By the way, really not trying to be a jerk about the question. Just wanting to know if folks understand what "exemptions" that Holtz received & what (I would assume) the current candidates are looking for.

 

There's always Holy Cross Junior College where one can go to become eligible.

 

Holy Cross is no longer a JUCO. Transitioned to a 4 year school, a few years back....

RUDY! RUDY! RUDY!

 

I'm going to guess that it's not having taken the core college prep courses in high school.

And I realize it's always easier for athletes to get in than the general public.

I was speaking (or trying to) their overall admissions. It's tough to get into. Some here don't seem to understand that.

Yes, my brother wanted to go to Yale. He didn't get in. He went to ND. The Ivies are harder.

But it's an excellent academic institution. One of the best in the country. And their Alumni look out for each other. An ND graduate can do very well for him/herself.

 

So, he spent 4 years in SB? I feel for him

You're right on target with the core prep class issue. They'll massage the sh*t out of the other elements, but the core class element is the killer.

As you know, it's actually a pretty small place. Limited number of majors, no real remedial / brush up classes, and an archaic set of gen. ed. requirements to graduate. While Tony Rice & Chris Zorich are (rightfully) held up as great examples of how the "exemptions" worked, there were 3-4 failures, for each success story. in addition, once the football program was cut some slack, other sports (understandably) wanted the same exemptions...and had an even worse percentage of success. Worst of all, started to impact their grad. rates for student athletes....and THAT'S when the stuff hit the fan. Folks need to look up the TJ Duckett story, it's a great example of this whole scenario

They've still loosened some things up. Mid-year enrollment, taking transfer athletes (mostly in hoops), etc.. Have a hard time believing they'll ever loosen up (even unofficially) the academic unit requirement, again. If Kelly wants the job, that shouldn't be the hill he digs in on.....

 

Unless the pledge in question is a complete closet case...

 

Some people get into Brown and don't get into Yale. Some people get into Yale and don't get into Princeton. Some get into neither, go to Bowdoin and live happily ever after. Ten years ago they were all were within a couple points of each other in terms of acceptance rate, but they all play admission games to give the illusion that they're more selective than they really are.

 

Heard from a couple of friends who are ND graduates today that the latest rumor percolating among alumni is that Swarbrick has quietly accepted the NCAA president gig and is waiting to announce his departure until after he's hired the coach. The irrational foaming at the mouth of domers never ceases to amuse me.

 

Notre Dame's a good school, but it isn't much if any harder to get into than a number of Big Ten schools -- Northwestern, Minnesota, Wisconsin come immediately to mind.

 

Well, he did a semester in Rome (a St. Mary's program). That probably saved him.

My rough understanding is that a lot of your experience depends on what dorm you're in -- the best take on a kind of fraternity feel.

But my brother ended up in one of the towers and didn't think much of his roommates.

After Rome, he lived off campus with his friends from their & enjoyed his time a lot more.

He's about the most fierce alumnus of anyone I know.

On the down side, he was there for four out of the five Faust years, so he didn't witness a lot of good football while he was there.

 

Notre Dame assistant Rob Ianello, who has been serving as the defacto interim head coach, will be the new head coach at Akron apparently.

http://www.cleveland.com/sports/college/index.ssf/2009/12/former_notre_dame_assistant_ro.html

 

All great schools too. Michigan's another great one that's real tough to get into from out of state.

I never wanted to go to ND. Indiana. Bad guy/girl ratio (and I didn't think the girls were the prettiest). Single sex dorms with curfews. Not for me.

My only point was to say that you can't just say, "well Harvard is better/tougher to get into," as some way to dismiss ND's academics.

It's a great school. It's tough to get into. And it's as good an academic school as any that plays top level college football.



And I think it was worse when I was looking at schools.