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Why are Asian-Americans so successful in America?

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by YankeeFan, Oct 19, 2015.

  1. Stoney

    Stoney Well-Known Member

    Jesus Christ, dick, you truly are a piece of work. So the same guy who earlier in this thread was giving us posts like this:

    is now posting this:

    First it's "we have to do better by them, it's our fault and our duty...", but now it's "you know, does it really even matter..." Well, hell, then why have you been ranting and bleating N-words at us for 40-something pages? Why'd you try so obsessively to make it the focus of this thread when that's really not even what the topic was about?

    And, btw, if someone else had posted your most recent post about 20 pages back when you were still in your full raving mode, I'm guessin you would've given a response implying they were a bad person and/or racist for thinking it was just fine for blacks to be stuck at the bottom. Might've even tossed an N-word at em to boot.
     
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  2. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Oh, piss off.

    Yes, I think we have to "do better by them."

    But I'm acknowledging that maybe everyone else doesn't feel the same way, hence the divide. Believe it or not, I'm pretty open-minded to people's thoughts and arguments. If someone wants to explain to me why they don't think this should even matter, I'm game to listen. Always have been, about anything.

    What am I supposed to do? If I'm rigid, you get pissy about it. If I earnestly seek alternative opinions and express an interest in taking them seriously, you get pissy about that, too.
     
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  3. Mr. Sunshine

    Mr. Sunshine Well-Known Member

    Dick, just be happy on this glorious 10th anniversary.
     
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  4. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    Ugly people are at a disadvantage. Should we do better by them?
    Overweight people are at a disadvantage. Should we do better by them?
    Less intelligent people are at a disadvantage. Should we do better by them?

    Where do we draw the line? And should there even be a line?
     
  5. Ace

    Ace Well-Known Member


    I am not sure I understand this, but I have a better understanding of why rich people hate the government.
     
  6. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    There's no doubt a lot of people aren't bothered by it.

    "Fuck you, I got mine" is very much alive and well in this country, and transcends racial barriers.
     
  7. Baron Scicluna

    Baron Scicluna Well-Known Member

    It has nothing to do with investment per se. If I make the same amount of money as Joe and Jill, pay taxes on it, decide to spend the untaxed part on lottery tickets, hit it huge for millions, I still will be paying additional taxes on my lottery winnings, even though I used my already-taxed salary to pay for it instead of saving.

    And why is it the way it is? Look at history. Why did the income tax first begin, and why it was increased for the wealthiest. It was done because a large amount of hungry people were getting angry at the Rockefellers and Fricks for not only accumulating vast amounts of wealth, but by paying off cops to kill them when they protested that they wanted a few cents more an hour. And the government was trying to show the masses that they were trying to be somewhat fair so that socialists wouldn't get voted in office en masse and tear down the entire capitalist system.
     
  8. JohnHammond

    JohnHammond Well-Known Member

    Even the dyed-in-the-wool progressives on SJ.com subscribe to some version of "Fuck you, I got mine!."

    Check your privilege!!
     
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  9. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    That's true, if you're one of those stupid companies that, you know, actually pays taxes. Many don't.

    Merck received a net TAX CREDIT in the second quarter of 2014 . . . even as its income rose 52 percent to $1.9 billion during the quarter. Really feel for those poor "double taxed" folks over there.
     
  10. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Whatever you googled to come up with that nonsense (I assume that if you conjured that fuzzy math yourself, you wouldn't have looked at the second quarter of 2014 -- you could have looked at the 5 quarters they have reported since then), is just wrong -- and nonsensical. Unless you work under the very Americentric delusion that the U.S. has the right to tax anything ANYWHERE from anything, at any rate it wants.

    The U.S. corporate tax system punishes companies relative to taxation of companies that are based elsewhere in the world -- the U.S. has the highest corporate tax rates in the world. And Merck, unlike most individuals who want to keep their citizenship, has the ability to simply pick up and move to jurisdictions not trying to take away the money it earns. Good for Merck.

    Merck, like plenty of other companies, has set up subsidiaries outside of the United States -- in places that don't tax business earnings to the punitive extent the U.S. does. It pays taxes to THOSE places, not the United States. Merck pays taxes -- despite what you read. If you looked at the income statement for those second quarter earnings in 2014, rather than passing along what you read, you would have seen that. It pays those taxes to other jurisdictions. ... The U.S. has given every incentive imaginable to a company like Merck to keep its earnings AWAY from the United States -- which will tax it more heavily than anyone else will.

    As long as the money earned by those subsidiaries never comes anywhere near the United States, Merck pays no tax to the United States. Just as, for example, the United States (as much as it would like to) doesn't tax Irish or Bulgarian citizens who don't earn their money in the United States.

    If you have a problem with that. ... you might want to lobby your congressperson and / or senator to get rid of our system of corporate taxation (which is the most punitive in the world) to try to make it more competitive with the rest of the world. Then maybe companies would have incentive to keep their operations in the United States and pay their taxes here rather than elsewhere.

    Also, claiming that our corporate tax system is structured poorly (in your estimation) wouldn't be an argument justifying a capital gains tax that creates a de factor system of double taxation. One has nothing to do with the other -- except that both are examples of how perverse our tax code is.
     
  11. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    "What if Reconstruction hadn't failed?"

    There is little reason to doubt that if the United States had started the process of rewriting the script on race relations during the late 19th century, instead of delaying it to the 1950s and 1960s, many problems that have their origins in the country’s troubled racial history might be closer to resolution. As Justice Thurgood Marshall noted in 1978 in the affirmative action case, The Regents of University of California v. Bakke, America has been dealing with the tragedy of Reconstruction’s failure and its aftermath for decades now. It appears that the country will likely be doing so for the foreseeable future.

    What If Reconstruction Hadn't Failed?
     
  12. poindexter

    poindexter Well-Known Member

    I have a problem with this concept. I am spitballing, but I am guessing the average (white/latino/asian or any other classification above black americans on the pecking order) don't really think about blacks. They are just working day to day, trying to get by. Its Mazlow's hierarchy of needs. They are just making sure their mortgage gets paid, and their children aren't falling behind. They don't have time to worry about the black situation as well.
     
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