Will Joe Torre get roasted like Spree?

Once again, the incentives were worth $3 million.
If that's an insult, I'm Leona Helmsley.
To call that an "insult" shows horrendous judgment, and he deserves similar treatment to what Sprewell got. But make sure you keep guard, Spnited, and don't let anyone past the gate.

 

I'm going back out to the river.

 

I'm going to work.

 

Numbnuts, it wasn't the incentives. It was how the incentives were written. An extra million for playoff round won. Like he was not trying to win those games?

Since 2001, the Yankees haven't been built for October. They've been built for regular season dominance. That's not Torre's fault. That's on Brian Cashman and Steinbrenner and the Tampa Collection Of Foofs.

Torre's also insulted about managing the Yankees for 12 years without missing the playoffs, and only getting an offer for a one-year deal at reduced money.

 

Ragu, you said Sprewell was overpaid by any measure. Couldn't the same be said of Torre? Why should he have been the highest paid manager in the game when he kept failing to get past the first round with the highest payroll in the league? Sprewell went to the Finals with the Knicks and the T'wolves went farther into the postseason with him than they ever had before. What have those franchises done since he left, except lose?

For those who make the distinction between being insulted by incentives vs. salary, that's distinction without a difference. Torre was insulted by the Yankees offer because he thought it was beneath him. Same with Sprewell. The two situations are quite similar in that very narrow area -- both guys treated a sum of money most of us would kill for as though they were being offered minimum wage. Yet Torre gets portrayed as a proud man done wrong, and Sprewell as a greedy bastard, for essentially the same act.

 

Actually, Torre was clearer than that if I remember it correctly. He said the idea that they thought they had to motivate him with incentives is what he found insulting.

And it's not "horrendous" judgement when he has been almost universally admired for it.

 

That's ridiculous.
All incentives are in place for people who are trying to attain the goals that are set.
You think salesmen are trying to sell their goods?
You think quarterbacks don't want to start games?
You put in incentive clauses because you don't want to pay top dollar unless those goals are met. How is winning playoff games any different than any other incentive?
Oh, of course.
Joe Torre.
Nice man.
But today, highly "insulted."

 

I give up. Pretty much everyone on this thread has explained why you're wrong and why the offer was insulting. And you don't seem capable or willing to ponder a different point of view.

So...

 

Or you could go fly a kite. Either way.

 

If it was insulting, too fucking bad. Even without the incentives, he is the highest paid manager in baseball, right? He certainly wasn't getting it done the way the current contract was set up. He is paid to win WS titles, or at a minimum, get to the world series. He is given resources the other managers can just dream about.

Torre was fired three times by other ballclubs when he didn't have the biggest payroll by a factor of 2x or 3x times. He is paid to make a mark in the postseason. If an incentive insults him, boo fucking hoo.

Any time a multi multi millionaire gets a contract that makes him the highest paid person in his profession *before the incentives*, and uses the word "insult" in any way shape or form, he is in the Sprewell area code. JMO.