Wow, when you think it can't get any stupider. Bush strikes again

trounced · Jul 19, 2006

Lyman_Bostock said:

Ace said:

Lyman_Bostock said:

Jones said:

Did Clinton make mistakes? Absolutely. Do his mistakes have anything to with Bush giving an unsolicited massage in Germany? Not that I can see.

And you're right, the protocols for the Queen are excessive, but they also exist to some degree for other heads of state. But I also think if you're being honest that you can see on her face that this wasn't something she either expected or wanted. It's a demeaning move. Admitting that doesn't make you weak. In fact, it makes people more inclined to listen to your defences of Bush when they might be more warranted.

Anyway, that's it from me here. Just trying to say that what goes on here is a microcosm of American society, and it's been sad to watch -- from the outside looking in -- such a great country tearing itself apart.
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It has nothing to do with making anybody weak, Jones. I have my differences with Bush, too, mostly on immigration and the budget. But the vast, left-wing Greek chorus here rides Bush on EVERYTHING -- every single fucking thing. When you ask them to name something Bush has done with which they agree, they can't give an answer or perhaps say one thing, then qualify it by saying "he managed to screw that up, too." I guess you can't help but sound like a knee-jerk Bush defender when so many here are knee-jerk Bush detractors.

Maybe you should be addressing these points to some of those people. Why don't you?
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Lyman, just read Jones' Esquire cover story on John McCain and you'll find that many of your fellow right wingers are off the Bush Bandwagon.
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And this has to do with ... what?
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John McCain shouldn't be used in the same sentence with right wingers, other than to say that he might as well be a democrat.

Inky_Wretch · Jul 19, 2006

Lyman_Bostock said:

Oh, and Jones, the "tearing itself apart" comment is a bit misguided. There's nothing wrong with vigorous debate.
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Vigorous debate? When is name-calling and shouting each other down considered vigourous debate? I'm not saying all political talk should be conducted using Robert's Rules, but it shouldn't be done like Around the Horn either.

Lyman_Bostock · Jul 19, 2006

Inky_Wretch said:

Lyman_Bostock said:

Oh, and Jones, the "tearing itself apart" comment is a bit misguided. There's nothing wrong with vigorous debate.
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Vigorous debate? When is name-calling and shouting each other down considered vigourous debate? I'm not saying all political talk should be conducted using Robert's Rules, but it shouldn't be done like Around the Horn either.
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Ever watch the British or Canadian houses of commons?

Fenian_Bastard · Jul 19, 2006

Now, THIS is a vigorous debate.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/18/AR2006071801373.html?sub=AR

hondo · Jul 19, 2006

dog428 said:

I personally enjoyed the Clinton spin.

Let me tell you why this wouldn't have happened with Clinton: Because he, like 98 percent of all presidents, knew how to present himself and this country with class and dignity.

And yeah, yeah, yeah, he banged an intern, not a lot of dignity there. Don't bother with that tired shit. Apples and oranges in this case.

When Clinton stood in front of a mic at one of these summits, we were proud of the words that came out of his mouth. When he met with other world leaders, we had confidence in his abilities to interact with those people on our behalf and in our best interest. When he ventured out in public, there was a 10 percent chance he'd do something goofy and a 90 percent chance he'd act presidential.

For Fredo, all of that is the exact opposite.
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Yeah, there's a lot of dignity in playing hide the salami with a cigar and cum stains on the Oval Office carpet.

cortez · Jul 19, 2006

But he can eat with his mouth closed

Ace · Jul 19, 2006

Lyman_Bostock said:

Ace said:

Lyman_Bostock said:

Jones said:

Did Clinton make mistakes? Absolutely. Do his mistakes have anything to with Bush giving an unsolicited massage in Germany? Not that I can see.

And you're right, the protocols for the Queen are excessive, but they also exist to some degree for other heads of state. But I also think if you're being honest that you can see on her face that this wasn't something she either expected or wanted. It's a demeaning move. Admitting that doesn't make you weak. In fact, it makes people more inclined to listen to your defences of Bush when they might be more warranted.

Anyway, that's it from me here. Just trying to say that what goes on here is a microcosm of American society, and it's been sad to watch -- from the outside looking in -- such a great country tearing itself apart.
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It has nothing to do with making anybody weak, Jones. I have my differences with Bush, too, mostly on immigration and the budget. But the vast, left-wing Greek chorus here rides Bush on EVERYTHING -- every single fucking thing. When you ask them to name something Bush has done with which they agree, they can't give an answer or perhaps say one thing, then qualify it by saying "he managed to screw that up, too." I guess you can't help but sound like a knee-jerk Bush defender when so many here are knee-jerk Bush detractors.

Maybe you should be addressing these points to some of those people. Why don't you?
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Lyman, just read Jones' Esquire cover story on John McCain and you'll find that many of your fellow right wingers are off the Bush Bandwagon.
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And this has to do with ... what?
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Not only the left wing Greek chorus is against Bush, even your fellow pointy headed right wingers are uniting against W.

Join us, Lyman, at least until Hillary is in the Oval Office.

Fenian_Bastard · Jul 19, 2006

Ace --
Please, god, no.
Making wingnut heads explode isn't worth it.

Ace · Jul 19, 2006

trounced said:

Lyman_Bostock said:

Ace said:

Lyman_Bostock said:

Jones said:

Did Clinton make mistakes? Absolutely. Do his mistakes have anything to with Bush giving an unsolicited massage in Germany? Not that I can see.

And you're right, the protocols for the Queen are excessive, but they also exist to some degree for other heads of state. But I also think if you're being honest that you can see on her face that this wasn't something she either expected or wanted. It's a demeaning move. Admitting that doesn't make you weak. In fact, it makes people more inclined to listen to your defences of Bush when they might be more warranted.

Anyway, that's it from me here. Just trying to say that what goes on here is a microcosm of American society, and it's been sad to watch -- from the outside looking in -- such a great country tearing itself apart.
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It has nothing to do with making anybody weak, Jones. I have my differences with Bush, too, mostly on immigration and the budget. But the vast, left-wing Greek chorus here rides Bush on EVERYTHING -- every single fucking thing. When you ask them to name something Bush has done with which they agree, they can't give an answer or perhaps say one thing, then qualify it by saying "he managed to screw that up, too." I guess you can't help but sound like a knee-jerk Bush defender when so many here are knee-jerk Bush detractors.

Maybe you should be addressing these points to some of those people. Why don't you?
Click to expand...

Lyman, just read Jones' Esquire cover story on John McCain and you'll find that many of your fellow right wingers are off the Bush Bandwagon.
Click to expand...

And this has to do with ... what?
Click to expand...

John McCain shouldn't be used in the same sentence with right wingers, other than to say that he might as well be a democrat.
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What are you good ol' righties doing for you these days? Running up debt, increasing government exponentially

Hell, you boys put Republicans in charge of everything and they act like Democrats. That must really taste like piss in your Corn Flakes.

Ace · Jul 19, 2006

Fenian_Bastard said:

Ace --
Please, god, no.
Making wingnut heads explode isn't worth it.
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It's OK, Fenian. I've got a bunch of paper towels to sop up the mess.

Jones · Jul 19, 2006

Lyman, I thought the "hysteria versus non-chalance" and the World War III line was pointing the way to the middle ground, but you know, you can read what you want to read.

And I'm not sure what I said that was smug. But of course, suddenly bringing Quebec into this debate is true to your recent form. I think it's called the bait-and-switch, but I'm not well versed in venomous Internet political debate.

Which is why I should have stayed out of this thread in the first place, and why I'm leaving it now.

Good luck with everything, but my money's on China.

Fenian_Bastard · Jul 19, 2006

Ace said:

Lyman_Bostock said:

Jones said:

Did Clinton make mistakes? Absolutely. Do his mistakes have anything to with Bush giving an unsolicited massage in Germany? Not that I can see.

And you're right, the protocols for the Queen are excessive, but they also exist to some degree for other heads of state. But I also think if you're being honest that you can see on her face that this wasn't something she either expected or wanted. It's a demeaning move. Admitting that doesn't make you weak. In fact, it makes people more inclined to listen to your defences of Bush when they might be more warranted.

Anyway, that's it from me here. Just trying to say that what goes on here is a microcosm of American society, and it's been sad to watch -- from the outside looking in -- such a great country tearing itself apart.
Click to expand...

It has nothing to do with making anybody weak, Jones. I have my differences with Bush, too, mostly on immigration and the budget. But the vast, left-wing Greek chorus here rides Bush on EVERYTHING -- every single fucking thing. When you ask them to name something Bush has done with which they agree, they can't give an answer or perhaps say one thing, then qualify it by saying "he managed to screw that up, too." I guess you can't help but sound like a knee-jerk Bush defender when so many here are knee-jerk Bush detractors.

Maybe you should be addressing these points to some of those people. Why don't you?
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Lyman, just read Jones' Esquire cover story on John McCain and you'll find that many of your fellow right wingers are off the Bush Bandwagon.
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Of course, the Straight Talk Express seems to be hitting some bumps, too.
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002875570

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