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Have you given up?

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2muchcoffeeman said:
And eats up what percentage of said revenue? Printing presses, equipment to make plates for the presses, ginormous rolls of paper, ginormous tubs of ink, people to run the presses, people to insert the ads ... how much of print's revenue is eaten up by print's expenses?

(Yeah, I know ... that's another topic entirely. Maybe I'll start it. Meantime, consider the question rhetorical for now.)

That's the thing -- a lot of the money that is made is just sucked right back up.

And if it wasn't for the Web, situations would probably be even worse. Newspapers' sites help cover nearly a third of print audience losses (Don't believe me? Read some of the studies by Scarborough Research).

It's time to jump on the digital train.
 
BYH said:
I worked at a K-Mart in the summer of 1990, and I loathed it so much I swore I was never going to work at a job I hated ever again.

Skip: "You can keep going to the ballpark and keep gettin' paid to do it. Beats heck outta working at Sears."
Larry: "Sears sucks, Crash. Boy, I worked there once. Sold Lady Kenmores. Nasty, whoa, nasty."
 
I'm going to say this, looking for neither envy nor sympathy ...

I have my dream job. Or, at least what once was my dream job. If you had told 18-year-old me what he's going to be doing in 12 years, he would have pissed his leg in joy. Seriously, when I entered J-School, I said, "I want to cover This Team for That Paper" -- and it's exactly what I'm doing now.

And you know what? It's OK. But not everything I'd dreamed. At least once a week, I kind of wish I was on the less prestigious beat I was covering last year. Sometimes, I find myself wishing I was still covering high schools at the smallish-town daily I worked for before hitting "the big time."

It would mean less money, and less prestige. But more free time and, in some ways, less stress. Overall, I like my job I think, but there are times when The Way Things Used To Be sounds pretty nice, too.

I guess my point is: Sometimes, the dream ain't all it's cracked up to be.
 
jboy said:
Damaramu said:
Wendell Gee said:
I "gave up" last summer.

I started out as an SE at a small daily. After a few years, moved on to a larger paper. After a few more years, moved on to an even larger paper. I always thought that as I moved up the ladder, I'd be more content. That wasn't the case. The hours and pay weren't very good, but I understood that when I got in the business. I got in because I liked to write and I loved sports. But my knowledge of sports, combined with my skills as an editor and designer, got me chained to the desk. And sports quickly became a job instead of something fun. I knew then that moving on to a metro wouldn't do anything to help me. So I got out.

I make almost twice as much as I did at my last newspaper job. I go home at 5 every night. I have weekends off. I get holidays off. I can take vacations in the fall. I enjoy sports again. The job isn't as exciting as newspaper, but I work with great people and am much happier than I was at my last paper. And I can always go back to stringing if I feel the need to get that rush again.

One of my best friends bolted the business about a month after I did. We frequently ask each other: "Why didn't we do this sooner?"

See it seems like a lot of you are saying you left the business. And someone earlier said you could get so many more jobs with a journalism degree.
My question is......what jobs? I'm not kidding when I say I can't imagine any other job. I really can't.

Every company/organization has to have some type of communications: flyers, brochures, newsletters, etc. They need someone to design, write and edit those communications.

If you have page design, copy editing and writing skills? Man, you have a kick-ass resume.

Think about a company/organization you'd like to work for. Or if not a specific one, the type of company/organization you'd like to work for.

Or...go to careerbuilder.com. Type in your zip code and click the right search criteria. Try the same at Monster (they have a category for Sports).

You'd be surprised.

I've also found craigslist to be a pretty good place for graphic design, editing, and writing jobs ranging from entry to senior level. If you live near a university, check its job board. Also check the local and state government sites for their careers sections. Find a list of big local companies and check their web sites. Trust me, you're not limited to choosing between newspapers and selling vacuum cleaners at Sears. When I left the biz, it took me about seven months of serious searching to find a job that I felt comfortable jumping to, but I've never looked back since then.

I loved newspapers. I miss what I did in newspapers. But I can't imagine going back into the business, not with the sacrifices I would have to make. I've had three jobs since I left newspapers, one I loved, one I loathed (mostly due to a bad owner), and my current one, which I am fine with. But I've loved my life away from work ever since I left newspapers, and that's not something I could say when I was in newspapers, and it's not something I can find if I go back into the biz now. Like one poster said, being a journalist can be, ironically, one of the worse jobs you can get with a journalism degree. I certainly understand those who love the biz and don't want to leave it, but those who are considering jumping, know that there are a lot of options out there.

And for those who think that you have to sell your soul to work in PR, here's a little anecdote: On one of the first days at my current job -- university PR -- I asked my boss for some tips on dealing with the media since I hadn't done any media relations before. The first thing he said was "Never lie," which was a bit of surprise even to me. And in the year I've been at this job, I've never once had to lie or even fudge the truth to a reporter. I would say 99.9 percent of our dealings with media are cooperative -- they call us looking for experts to comment for stories they're working on or to follow up on releases we send out, and we get them in touch with the right people. Now, I don't pretend that it's like that with every PR job, but just know that a good number of PR jobs don't have the same adversarial relationship that exists between SIDs and sportswriters. Most of my time is spent writing, editing, and designing -- very similar to what I did at newspapers. And a journalist looking to break into PR on one of those skills would also have the added advantage of having worked under ridiculous deadlines. Not many PR folks have to turn around a news release in 15 minutes.

Several posters have said that they can't imagine what they would do if they weren't working in newspapers. That's something I hear quite often from my newspaper friends too. I would say that you would never know if you hate or love something until you try it. And one mistake I see many journalists make is that they think they have to be a perfect fit for a particular job ("I don't really know that much about X", "I only have four of the five desired skills," or "I'm not sure I'd enjoy item No. 10 on the list of job responsibilities") so they don't even bother to apply to a lot of openings. My response: You probably didn't know squat about the area prep football scene before you took your current job; everyone has had to learn some sort of new skill on the job; and I'm sure you don't love every responsibility that comes your way at a newspaper. Those concerns, while somewhat reasonable, are often just excuses to talk ourselves out of taking the risk of making a career change, even though realistically the risks may now be just as great or greater if you stayed.
 
Some Guy said:
I'm going to say this, looking for neither envy nor sympathy ...

I have my dream job. Or, at least what once was my dream job. If you had told 18-year-old me what he's going to be doing in 12 years, he would have pissed his leg in joy. Seriously, when I entered J-School, I said, "I want to cover This Team for That Paper" -- and it's exactly what I'm doing now.

And you know what? It's OK. But not everything I'd dreamed. At least once a week, I kind of wish I was on the less prestigious beat I was covering last year. Sometimes, I find myself wishing I was still covering high schools at the smallish-town daily I worked for before hitting "the big time."

It would mean less money, and less prestige. But more free time and, in some ways, less stress. Overall, I like my job I think, but there are times when The Way Things Used To Be sounds pretty nice, too.

I guess my point is: Sometimes, the dream ain't all it's cracked up to be.

I could have just written that same little synopsis. Accurate on a lot of accounts.

I don't want this at all to sound like I'm lazy or unappreciative, but our place isn't paying me any more to handle a high-profile beat (and deal with all the time and headaches) than it would if it reassigned me to something lesser. So it's inevitable to think, "Hmmm, why am I doing this again?"
 
You want to know what's funny? I was going to start this exact thread today, and it turns out someone already jumped my gun by a couple days. But I guess it makes sense.

At any rate, I am starting to run out of ideas. I have now been without a full-time job for five months. I have been rejected for jobs at more places than I can count. I have had interviews with about a dozen different places, including one PR gig. About eight different times, I have specifically been told "It came down to you and one other person, and we would have been happy either way, but we went with the other guy." That's just forking great. I'm thrilled to be the gosh darn bridesmaid again and again and again. Living with my parents is pretty sweet too.

The shirt of it is that I can't even find a part-time job either. I've been freelancing and making pretty decent money and have gotten regular assignments. But I haven't even been able to get a daytime job to supplement my income at forking retail stores. So I guess that puts the number of jobs I've been passed over for in the past year somewhere in the 50 range.

I'm beyond understanding at this point. I've got a good resume. I've won several awards. I have good references. I know that I was more qualified than the person who got hired at two of the places I was rejected by, if not more (I won't even go into the places that hired within, as I've ranted on that before).

Throughout all of this, I have taken the spirit of Rick Astley and told sports journalism "I'm never gonna give you up." However, my patience is starting to wear thin. So, if any veteran out there would like to provide three concrete reasons for me to continue hoping something good will happen to me someday, I'd appreciate it (bonus reasons for not offing myself also accepted).
 
jboy said:
Damaramu said:
Wendell Gee said:
I "gave up" last summer.

I started out as an SE at a small daily. After a few years, moved on to a larger paper. After a few more years, moved on to an even larger paper. I always thought that as I moved up the ladder, I'd be more content. That wasn't the case. The hours and pay weren't very good, but I understood that when I got in the business. I got in because I liked to write and I loved sports. But my knowledge of sports, combined with my skills as an editor and designer, got me chained to the desk. And sports quickly became a job instead of something fun. I knew then that moving on to a metro wouldn't do anything to help me. So I got out.

I make almost twice as much as I did at my last newspaper job. I go home at 5 every night. I have weekends off. I get holidays off. I can take vacations in the fall. I enjoy sports again. The job isn't as exciting as newspaper, but I work with great people and am much happier than I was at my last paper. And I can always go back to stringing if I feel the need to get that rush again.

One of my best friends bolted the business about a month after I did. We frequently ask each other: "Why didn't we do this sooner?"

See it seems like a lot of you are saying you left the business. And someone earlier said you could get so many more jobs with a journalism degree.
My question is......what jobs? I'm not kidding when I say I can't imagine any other job. I really can't.

Every company/organization has to have some type of communications: flyers, brochures, newsletters, etc. They need someone to design, write and edit those communications.

If you have page design, copy editing and writing skills? Man, you have a kick-ass resume.

Think about a company/organization you'd like to work for. Or if not a specific one, the type of company/organization you'd like to work for.

Or...go to careerbuilder.com. Type in your zip code and click the right search criteria. Try the same at Monster (they have a category for Sports).

You'd be surprised.

I tried career builder but it turned up with a bunch of jobs that required no previous experience or a degree. Those just always seem like scams to me.

Monster for some reason refuses to load at a decent speed on my browser.

Well shirt, maybe I just don't know what to search for or where to start.
 
a guy's gotta do what a guy's gotta do.

how many people stayed to defend the alamo?
 
Damaramu said:
jboy said:
Damaramu said:
Wendell Gee said:
I "gave up" last summer.

I started out as an SE at a small daily. After a few years, moved on to a larger paper. After a few more years, moved on to an even larger paper. I always thought that as I moved up the ladder, I'd be more content. That wasn't the case. The hours and pay weren't very good, but I understood that when I got in the business. I got in because I liked to write and I loved sports. But my knowledge of sports, combined with my skills as an editor and designer, got me chained to the desk. And sports quickly became a job instead of something fun. I knew then that moving on to a metro wouldn't do anything to help me. So I got out.

I make almost twice as much as I did at my last newspaper job. I go home at 5 every night. I have weekends off. I get holidays off. I can take vacations in the fall. I enjoy sports again. The job isn't as exciting as newspaper, but I work with great people and am much happier than I was at my last paper. And I can always go back to stringing if I feel the need to get that rush again.

One of my best friends bolted the business about a month after I did. We frequently ask each other: "Why didn't we do this sooner?"

See it seems like a lot of you are saying you left the business. And someone earlier said you could get so many more jobs with a journalism degree.
My question is......what jobs? I'm not kidding when I say I can't imagine any other job. I really can't.

Every company/organization has to have some type of communications: flyers, brochures, newsletters, etc. They need someone to design, write and edit those communications.

If you have page design, copy editing and writing skills? Man, you have a kick-ass resume.

Think about a company/organization you'd like to work for. Or if not a specific one, the type of company/organization you'd like to work for.

Or...go to careerbuilder.com. Type in your zip code and click the right search criteria. Try the same at Monster (they have a category for Sports).

You'd be surprised.

I tried career builder but it turned up with a bunch of jobs that required no previous experience or a degree. Those just always seem like scams to me.

Monster for some reason refuses to load at a decent speed on my browser.

Well shirt, maybe I just don't know what to search for or where to start.

And those jobs never give any indication of salary. I mean, it's hard to tell if they are $20K jobs or $80K jobs. What a country! It's a wonder anybody ever find work anywhere :)
 

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