Joe Carter's complaining his HR to win the WS ain't getting enough respect

[D-Backs Hack]

Carter is in the middle of the pack, because the middle of the pack is where it belongs. Does his home run not get enough respect?

Nobody on Earth not named Joe Carter even considered it until today.

Scintillating moment, sure. But the Thomson-Mazeroski-Fisk-Gibson neighborhood is a couple blocks over.

Scintillating moment? That's your take on it?

It won the World Series.

Last time I checked, as dramatic as they were, the home runs you cited other than Mazeroski's didn't.

You and I find a lot of common ground on this board, but I can't believe you're asking me to defend this.

Fisk's home run was the climactic moment of what many consider to be the best game ever played and the best World Series ever played.

Thomson's home run was the climactic moment of what many consider to be the greatest comeback in baseball history.

Gibson was The Natural come to life, as Hollywood of an ending as the sport has ever seen, so much so that the actual importance of the winning homer -- with Hershiser a near lock to stick it up Oakland's ass in two of the next four games -- is rarely mentioned.

Carter is surely top-10, maybe as high as No. 5. Where he belongs, and no shame in it.

Again, nobody other than Joe Carter has thought about this. There's a reason for that, and it isn't because he wasn't wearing Yankee pinstripes.

 

[JR]

That really makes no sense, JR.

But, for the point of discussion, where do you rank it?

No. 1? Second behind Maz? Second behind Thomson?

It's #2 after Mazeroski, maybe #3 after Thomson.

As I mentioned before, there have been two walk off home runs to win a World Series

Who else done that?


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[Tom Petty]

That really makes no sense, JR.

But, for the point of discussion, where do you rank it?

No. 1? Second behind Maz? Second behind Thomson?

It's #2 after Mazeroski, maybe #3 after Thomson.

As I mentioned before, there have been two walk off home runs to win a World Series

Who else done that?

is carter paying you by the word?

 

[dargan]

Personally, I think the best homer ever is when Parkman hit one off Wild Thing in spring training and got to rename the pitch.

 

[pallister]

I'm starting to think that great catch I made in Little League isn't getting its due because it happened in a red state.

 

[JR]

And as others have pointed out, if Joe had been playing for the Yankees/Red Sox/Dodgers, they'd have a statue erected in those cities.

And there's nothing stopping Toronto from erecting a statue.

I have no idea what that argument even means. This isn't about it not being appreciated in the city itself.

Toronto should erect a statue. It's a great idea, actually.

I'm of the mind that, fork the rest of the world when it comes to our baseball history. Feats accomplished by the Blue Jays will rarely if ever get the respect accorded the feats of the Yankees/Dodgers/Red Sox, but who really gives a shirt whether we do or not? When we start looking for validation, especially from sources that are not likely to ever give it to us in a non-patronizing way, it just lessens what we have to be proud of in the first place.

Bottom line - as a Blue Jays fan throughout the '80s and mid '90s, I don't need a subjective "greatest of all-time" list to tell me what that home run meant and still means. I know what it meant and means to me. That's all I care about.

I guess we don't want to get into the argument that the first baseball game ever played was in Beachville, Ontario in 1838. Probably not.

 

[pallister]

Were the Yankees involved?

 

[The Good Doctor]

No, it was the Kamloops Hosers and the Ontario Aboots.

 

[pallister]

Awesome. No matter how many times one says, "Aboot," it's never not funny.

 

[Double J]

Were the Yankees involved?

No, but spnited and JR were both there.

 

[buckweaver]

I guess we don't want to get into the argument that the first baseball game ever played was in Beachville, Ontario in 1838. Probably not.

That's probably smart, considering that claim isn't taken seriously by John Thorn or anyone with any real knowledge of the origins of baseball.

There's no real "first" game of baseball, not in Hoboken, not in Beechville, nor anywhere else. We know a game called "base ball" was recorded as being played in Manhattan in 1823, we know Jane Austen referenced a game like it a few years before that, and there's strong evidence the game was played in Massachusetts as early as 1791.

Beechville has about as much legitimate claim to being the birthplace of baseball as ... well, Cooperstown.

 

[Trey Beamon]

I'm starting to think that great catch I made in Little League isn't getting its due because it happened in a red state.

"Nice catch, pallister.

"But stop calling yourself 'Lil Klu. I'm sure Ted Kluszewski never cried when someone put ketchup on his burger or pooped his pants playing right field."