Passan vs. Ben Verlander: The slap fight you never knew you needed

[DanielSimpsonDay]

I was a member of 'MetsTwitter' for an unfortunate spell and it felt like being in a boring high school club.
"Everything Is Awesome!" from the Lego movie (and if you don't agree that everything's awesome then you suck, in no ambiguous terms).
Howie Rose is a rock star in that club, as are the triumvirate of announcers and various second-tier SNY media personalities.

toxic positivity

 

[Octave]

Daniel-

It's happened in every fan forum I ever participated in.
The ones critical of the franchise are on the outside of the sacred hoop, as the great Jose Chavez y Chavez once put it.

 

[Tarheel316]

We are not the story, we are the storytellers. I wish more people would keep that in mind.

Amen to that.

 

[Alma]

Amen to that.

I think for a lot of journalists, that idea has changed. It's more about the storytellers than ever. Who they are, who they're friends, what their politics are, for some reason, which enviable hobbies they have, what food they eat, etc.

Most national journalists barely exist for the reading or viewing audience, at this point. They lend little credible insight and appear to have little relevance to a customer. They are interesting to a small subset of peers.

 

[Regan MacNeil]

what their politics are, for some reason

You're nothing if not remarkably consistent.

 

[dixiehack]

You're nothing if not remarkably consistent.

I feel a little bit sad that for a good long while he was someone with a different point of view worth seriously engaging with and now he's a civilized dyepack.

 

[Alma]

You're nothing if not remarkably consistent.

OK. I'm accurate. heck, Defector and Outkick made it part of their content offering. (Which is their right, of course.)

 

[Regan MacNeil]

Well, you managed to name two sites that have chosen to wear their politics on their sleeve. I guess that's indicative of the industry at large. Well done.

 

[swingline]

I feel a little bit sad that for a good long while he was someone with a different point of view worth seriously engaging with and now he's a civilized dyepack.

Yawn …

 

[BYH 2: Electric Boogaloo]

I think for a lot of journalists, that idea has changed. It's more about the storytellers than ever. Who they are, who they're friends, what their politics are, for some reason, which enviable hobbies they have, what food they eat, etc.

Most national journalists barely exist for the reading or viewing audience, at this point. They lend little credible insight and appear to have little relevance to a customer. They are interesting to a small subset of peers.

Not sure what the skirmish here is about--I for one never get involved in arguments on SJ dot com --but I don't see much to argue with about much of this, especially the latter graph. Everybody knows Twitter's not the real world, and I can guaranforkingtee you no one in my neighborhood has ever heard of Maggie Haberman. But on Twitter, all her peers are engaged in gazing at her navel while the rest of us scream about how she's helped topple democracy. The inside baseball stuff is just as omnipresent on sports Twitter, which is much easier to deal with because, you know, the fate of the free world isn't at stake.

 

[Alma]

Back to my point: Do either of these media personalities exist for a customer audience? If, for example, you go to ESPN, are you writing for any one particular group of people outside players, managers and other media? If you're Verlander, what is your audience outside of players?

 

[BYH 2: Electric Boogaloo]

Verlander is a name that draws some eyeballs and Fox digital is on a spending spree. That'll end soon enough.