RIP Bill McCartney

[wicked]

Sorry that you went through that, ex.

 

[dixiehack]

My dad was big into the Promise Keepers too. Still holds to that worldview, with a side of soft dominionism. I get frustrated with his rigidity and then I think about how far he had to come to shake off his upbringing and become this mild. I am not exaggerating when I say he was educated by a cult.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pensacola_Christian_Academy

 

[exmediahack]

Sorry that you went through that, ex.

What it taught me.

When I became a dad at 27, I was NOT allowing anyone in my family influence how I raised my kids. Nope.

I was going to break the cycle of generational abuse. And I did. Wasn't easy. My late ex-wife was a monster to all of us. But I broke it.

and they turned out great.

 

[MileHigh]

What it taught me.

When I became a dad at 27, I was NOT anyone in my family influence how I raised my kids. Nope.

I was going to break the cycle of generational abuse. And I did. Wasn't easy. My late ex-wife was a monster to all of us. But I broke it.

and they turned out great.

We've been through a lot in this space. What you have endured -- much love and respect.

 

[hondo]

But why is it relevant?

I also think that any male who dwells on the fact that his daughter had sexual relations with at least two men out of wedlock had better have lived a more chaste life.

It's relevant because it goes to the hypocrisy that surrounded McCartney's life.

 

[BitterYoungMatador2]

We're going to have similar conversations about hypocrisy when Tom Osborne passes.

 

[hondo]

We're going to have similar conversations about hypocrisy when Tom Osborne passes.

Absolutely.

 

[FileNotFound]

We're going to have similar conversations about hypocrisy when Tom Osborne passes.

Won't be a worry for Barry Switzer.

 

[dixiehack]

Sorry but McCartney was a raging hypocrite. Don't preach moral, Christian living to thousands of others when your daughter got knocked up twice and you admitted to marital infidelity. Get your own house in order first.

I let this one marinate overnight before deciding whether I wanted to respond.

The first criticism is actually something I would expect to hear someone from the fundamentalist/evangelical side of the street. There is a lot of value there placed on "control your family" and especially daughters even after they are grown. It denies the children their own agency and leads to situations like you see with really religious families disowning their gay kids, because otherwise they would be outcasts in their church and circle of friends.

As for his infidelity, unless I read it wrong that happened well before his religious conversion and before starting any kind of ministry. Why should that be disqualifying if someone isn't trying to cover it up and act like they've always been perfect?

It's a tricky thing to argue for in general terms because for Coach Mac he traded on his daughter's love life in really gross and manipulative ways and that deserved to be called out. But I think you have to separate his particular circumstances from a an overarching condemnation of someone else who may land in those particular circumstances.

 

[hondo]

I let this one marinate overnight before deciding whether I wanted to respond.

The first criticism is actually something I would expect to hear someone from the fundamentalist/evangelical side of the street. There is a lot of value there placed on "control your family" and especially daughters even after they are grown. It denies the children their own agency and leads to situations like you see with really religious families disowning their gay kids, because otherwise they would be outcasts in their church and circle of friends.

As for his infidelity, unless I read it wrong that happened well before his religious conversion and before starting any kind of ministry. Why should that be disqualifying if someone isn't trying to cover it up and act like they've always been perfect?

It's a tricky thing to argue for in general terms because for Coach Mac he traded on his daughter's love life in really gross and manipulative ways and that deserved to be called out. But I think you have to separate his particular circumstances from a an overarching condemnation of someone else who may land in those particular circumstances.

I hear you. But if hypocrisy doesn't come into play about Bill McCartney's life, disingenuousness certainly does.