Stats question

[bigpern23]

Anyone know if a clock-stopping spike by a QB counts as an incompletion? I wouldn't think it does, but if not, how does one account for it in the stats? Shouldn't the number of rushes and passes equal the number of total plays?

 

[occasionally]

The answer to your stats questions, high school or college, can be found here ...
http://www.ncaa.org/library/statistical/football_stats_manual/2006/2006_football_stats_manual.pdf

According to this, the passer is charged with the attempt on the "spike," though I seem to remember something being discussed about making this a "team" passing attempt.

 

[Billy Pritchard]

We usually mark it as a team passing attempt, the same as when a quarterback takes a knee to run the clock out (it's a team rushing attempt). Not sure if that's 100 percent correct to do it that way, but it seems right.

 

[da man]

NFL rules -- A spike is an incomplete pass and counts against the passer's individual stats. A kneel is not an individual rushing attempt. It is considered an ``aborted play'' and counts only against the team's rushing stats, not the individual's. According to Elias Sports Bureau.

 

[pressboxer]

From the NCAA Football Statistician's Manual (my state uses NCAA with some expceptions instead of National Federation rules):
12. TEAM STATISTICS—In the fair application of statistical rules, there are certain situations during which individual losses should be absorbed by team statistics. In a clarification of previous policies, a team rush should be charged when a quarterback kneels down in order to run out the clock. Also, a team pass attempt should be charged when a quarterback throws a pass into the ground in order to stop the clock. In neither instance should the individual player be charged with the play.


By the way, I keep a pdf of the manual on my laptop and use it extensively during games. It's really good for shutting up some goober who is trying to apply NFL rules to high school games.

 

[Mystery_Meat]

My turn.

In my state, field goal attempts are treated in the same way they are in arena football; that is, if you try a field goal from the 50-yard line and the ball makes it to the 4-yard line, that's where the other team takes possession. One of my teams does nothing but field goal attempts -- no drop kicks. Thus far I've been counting them in the punting category for box purposes, since they're treated as such. But for the sake of argument, does this also mean the kicker gets dinged for a missed FG every time?

 

[subhead]

My turn.

In my state, field goal attempts are treated in the same way they are in arena football; that is, if you try a field goal from the 50-yard line and the ball makes it to the 4-yard line, that's where the other team takes possession. One of my teams does nothing but field goal attempts -- no drop kicks. Thus far I've been counting them in the punting category for box purposes, since they're treated as such. But for the sake of argument, does this also mean the kicker gets dinged for a missed FG every time?

If the kicker makes it, would you count it as a made field goal?

 

[da man]

NFL rules -- A spike is an incomplete pass and counts against the passer's individual stats. A kneel is not an individual rushing attempt. It is considered an ``aborted play'' and counts only against the team's rushing stats, not the individual's. According to Elias Sports Bureau.

From the NCAA Football Statistician's Manual (my state uses NCAA with some expceptions instead of National Federation rules):
12. TEAM STATISTICS—In the fair application of statistical rules, there are certain situations during which individual losses should be absorbed by team statistics. In a clarification of previous policies, a team rush should be charged when a quarterback kneels down in order to run out the clock. Also, a team pass attempt should be charged when a quarterback throws a pass into the ground in order to stop the clock. In neither instance should the individual player be charged with the play.


By the way, I keep a pdf of the manual on my laptop and use it extensively during games. It's really good for shutting up some goober who is trying to apply NFL rules to high school games.

Wait a minute. Are you calling me a goober? Why I oughta ...