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garrow said:

Tyrannical

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Justin_Rice said:

Yeah but what about supporting the slaughtering of innocent Ukrainian men, women, and children?

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Shelbyville Manhattan said:

Twitter is down, Tesla's stock continues to crash.

See what happens when you get in bed with Trump, Elmo?

ETTD

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Neutral Corner said:

This is from The Bulwark. I get the free newsletters but I'm not a subscriber so I can't simply link it. Here's the full column.


Making the World Safe for Autocracy
by William Kristol

The betrayal of Ukraine continues apace.

On Friday, President Donald Trump stopped sharing American intelligence with Ukraine, and Russia responded by immediately stepping up its strikes on civilian Ukrainian targets.

Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk explained the situation succinctly: "This is what happens when someone appeases barbarians. More bombs, more aggression, more victims."

But Tusk was being diplomatic. He was maintaining the pretense that Trump was merely foolishly or wishfully appeasing Putin. Trump isn't acting foolishly or wishfully. He wants to help Putin.

Indeed, the distinguished military historian Phillips P. O'Brien wrote on Saturday:

What we have seen over the last few days is so extreme that it deserves to be said out loud and acknowledged as soon as possible. The United States has not just abandoned Ukraine, the United States is now actively helping Vladimir Putin and the Russian state kill Ukrainians to try and force Ukraine to accept a bad peace deal that very well might spell the end of their country. At the same time, the USA is now bending over backwards to help protect the Russian military.

O'Brien provides evidence for these charges, which you can and should read if you have the stomach for it. And since O'Brien's newsletter, we've had reports that Trump won't restore military aid with Ukraine even if there's a deal on mineral resources, and that the Trump administration wants to depose Volodymyr Zelensky as president.

As the New Yorker's Susan Glasser remarks: "Trump's demands right now are Putin's demands."

By Sunday night, Trump was telling reporters that the administration had "just about" lifted the pause on Ukraine intel sharing. But the details of the lift were left unclear. Indeed, the alleged willingness to lift the pause seems to be laying the groundwork for failing to do so, or for putting the pause on again, when Zelensky fails to make sufficient concessions for "peace."

Those looking for optimism continue to try to advance the proposition that Trump is merely stepping back a bit in Europe to focus on the China threat. But there are reports that China, Russia, and Iran are now engaged in new naval exercises near Iran's Chabahar port. This is only one of many instances of the autocracies of Europe and Asia working together.

And the fact is that Trump wants to cut deals with all the autocrats—with Russia, China, Iran, and for that matter North Korea. Those are the leaders with whom he wants to work to make the world safe for autocracy.

Not all Republicans are on board this agenda. The Reaganite pulse in the GOP still beats, if faintly. And so one reads about Hill Republicans having concerns about Trump's policy. But as Adam Kinzinger mordantly remarked about his former colleagues: "If only they had votes in say, a legislative body, to do something about it. But no, they can only be 'concerned.'"


Three House Republicans. Four GOP senators. That's what it might take to stop or impede Trump's sellout of Ukraine. They could vow not to support Trump's agenda, and to vote with the Democrats if necessary, as long as the betrayal of Ukraine continues. They could start with the government funding bill that must pass by the end of this week.

But no, Hill Republicans are still bending the knee to Trump.

And so a Republican who's been staunchly pro-Ukraine like GOP Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick feels he has to pretend that cutting off intelligence sharing with Ukraine is :an escalate to de-escalate tactic by the administration to bring these parties to the table."

An escalate to de-escalate tactic.

The mental gymnastics of Republicans who know better, but who do not want to confront Trump, never cease to amaze.

It's all sickening. It's sickening to see the betrayal of Ukraine, because one thinks of what will happen to the Ukrainian people.

But it's also sickening to see the betrayal of Ukraine because of what it will say about what's happening to us.

As a French friend of America, Bernard-Henri Levy, wrote in the Wall Street Journal last week:

I don't know if the Americans will grasp that in Mr. Zelensky's dignity lies their "city upon a hill" creed and that American leaders, from the Founding Fathers all the way to Kennedy and Reagan, would have been proud of a deep bond with this leader.

I don't know, really, if any of this will be properly understood after that incident, display, fiasco, debacle, monstrosity—call it what you will—in the Oval Office.

It's proper to blame President Trump for the "incident, display, fiasco, debacle, monstrosity" in the Oval Office. But Trump's our president. It's our Oval Office. If Americans in both parties don't do their utmost to check and overturn the president's actions, we will all have been part of the betrayal of Ukraine. We will all have been part of a betrayal of America.

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justgladtobehere said:

Tesla P/E is above 100 and sales are stalling. That is a bad combination.

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playthrough said:

I hate how much I use Twitter for my job, but I can still revel in it being down.

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Inky_Wretch said:

A US Senator who flew 39 combat missions in Desert Storm and flew the space shuttle four times, visited Ukraine and posted about how we needed to keep supporting them against Russia's invasion.

Elon Musk called him a traitor.

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WriteThinking said:

Can you post a link to that? I'd like to read it.

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